I asked at Photokina - they said the 18-135 kits would be available mid October, along with the body, separate sales would be later.

Given the high price of the lens, tempting as it is, I shall go for just the body I think. I already have the 17-70 and 50-135, so can't really justify it. My husband is already forking out a small fortune on the body for me.

I saw this mentioned on the other forum.
It looks impressive and isn't that expensive. Maybe worth considering?

Just be checking Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.de - .co.uk is cheaper for the K5 - €1307.51 vs €1459 body only, at today's rates, but .de offers free postage to NL, which .co.uk doesn't.
Both are cheaper than the one shop which has it on pre-order in the Netherlands.

But mine is on order in Watford so it's theoretical anyway, for me.

No sign of the K5 18-135 kit though - despite Pentax at Photokina saying it would be available as a kit at the same time as the body.

Edit just spotted Amazon.de are offering the 18-135 as a kit with the K-r, but not the K5 .

Further edit - they also have the K5 18-135 for €1949 .

Yes, but a bit stronger flavour - so maybe nearer mutton. Unless it's kid that is, which needs cooking with care so as not to ruin in.

Lamb jalfrezi is one of the few Indian dishes I enjoy .

I've had goat curry too. But I like goat meat, in most forms.

The swear words weren't the problem .

The Dutch equivalent did a similar test. Pentax don't exist as far as they are concerned. Unfortunately my written Dutch isn't up to writing a nasty letter to them about it.

I had a K20D, and am impatiently awaiting my K5. October 18th is just after my birthday .

I see they also have the Optio RZ10, at not such a bad price. Sadly it comes out just too late for what I need one for. I'll end up getting a Panasonic instead.

Er T-T this post is from Feb 2009. It has been topped by a spammer.

I think they are beautiful. Like a berry flower .