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Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 17:57
thnx. just making sure I understood you Mike...
I see the kr is available in Toronto... waiting to see what is what with the k5 pricing and tested reviews but so far, I do not see a downside to buying a new camera, this year or early in the new year!
going from the k10 to the k5 would see some huge gains across the board with no apparent compromises...
I see the kr is available in Toronto... waiting to see what is what with the k5 pricing and tested reviews but so far, I do not see a downside to buying a new camera, this year or early in the new year!
going from the k10 to the k5 would see some huge gains across the board with no apparent compromises...
Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 17:34
Mike-P wrote:
K-7 .. I don't have a K-5
so that video clip of the k5 could be showing how far they've improved then?K-7 .. I don't have a K-5
Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 17:17
Smeggypants wrote:
by your reasoning the ds2 6mp sensor should blow away the the kx and the kr and the k5....
it is marginally better at iso 800 than the k10 at iso 800....
But the reality is if the noise control on the new sensor is better, than it is better............ period.
you can't fault reality just because your theory is more appealing to you.
reality is, if the kr & k5 improves on the kx then they will surpass every 6mp (and every other sensor) ever put into a Pentax thus far....
You introducing a 2nd variable though. He means that with the same level of technology a 12 should be better than a 16.Don wrote:
sometimes the theory and the reality don't jive...rparmar wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="Don"]who cares about pixel counts if you got good noise control at high iso and can shoot lower res on demand if you want less pixels.
You answered your own question. We care about pixel counts because, all else being equal, we get less noise with fewer pixels in the same sensor area. If the 16MP sensor produces great low noise then a 12MP sensor would be even better.[quote:3496ace15f="Don"]who cares about pixel counts if you got good noise control at high iso and can shoot lower res on demand if you want less pixels.
by your reasoning the ds2 6mp sensor should blow away the the kx and the kr and the k5....
it is marginally better at iso 800 than the k10 at iso 800....
But the reality is if the noise control on the new sensor is better, than it is better............ period.
you can't fault reality just because your theory is more appealing to you.
reality is, if the kr & k5 improves on the kx then they will surpass every 6mp (and every other sensor) ever put into a Pentax thus far....
Surely we'd expect a modern 6MP sensor of the same size to out perform the 16MP?[/quote]incorrect, I am not adding a variable. HE introduces a second variable in assuming non existent development on a non existing sensor. at least non existent as far as pentax and other d-slrs on the market.
reality check if the newer sensor gave up iso performance and performed worse than the current sensor for a higher pixel count he'd be right.... but better is better and the new sensor is better. Period. We'll know for sure when it's tested....
just pointing that out.
Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 17:14
Mike when you said the lv af was slow with the 100 macro, are you referring to the k5 or k7?
Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 17:08
rparmar wrote:
sometimes the theory and the reality don't jive...Don wrote:
who cares about pixel counts if you got good noise control at high iso and can shoot lower res on demand if you want less pixels.
You answered your own question. We care about pixel counts because, all else being equal, we get less noise with fewer pixels in the same sensor area. If the 16MP sensor produces great low noise then a 12MP sensor would be even better.who cares about pixel counts if you got good noise control at high iso and can shoot lower res on demand if you want less pixels.
by your reasoning the ds2 6mp sensor should blow away the the kx and the kr and the k5....
(it is marginally better at iso 800 than the k10 at iso 800.... my experience, and reason for continuing to use the ds2)
But the reality is if the noise control on the new sensor is better, than it is better............ period.
you can't fault reality just because your theory is more appealing to you.
reality is, if the kr & k5 improves on the kx then they will surpass every 6mp (and every other sensor) ever put into a Pentax thus far....
Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 17:05
Mike-P wrote:
I used Liveview to focus for the first time ever this morning .. it was a lot slower than that I can tell you. Quite handy as long as its very dark outside and you have nothing reflecting off the screen.
what lens?I used Liveview to focus for the first time ever this morning .. it was a lot slower than that I can tell you. Quite handy as long as its very dark outside and you have nothing reflecting off the screen.
I usually do portraits with the 50 1.4 and 100 macro 2.8....
this feature looks really appealing to me...
Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 16:34
yeah that link is slow, best to load it let it muddle through, once then play it back a second time and it'll play right...
as far a pixels and video is concerned....
who cares about pixel counts if you got good noise control at high iso and can shoot lower res on demand if you want less pixels.
as for video.... check out the price on 35 mm lens adaptors or ultra wide, fisheye, or ultra telephoto lens adaptors for hd cams and you'll quickly realize the d-slr is the right tool for videomakers needing specific shots... I could easily spend $10,000.00 on video gear to replicate a few views my pentax lenses already create... that is too much cost for a small town Wedding business...
as far a pixels and video is concerned....
who cares about pixel counts if you got good noise control at high iso and can shoot lower res on demand if you want less pixels.
as for video.... check out the price on 35 mm lens adaptors or ultra wide, fisheye, or ultra telephoto lens adaptors for hd cams and you'll quickly realize the d-slr is the right tool for videomakers needing specific shots... I could easily spend $10,000.00 on video gear to replicate a few views my pentax lenses already create... that is too much cost for a small town Wedding business...
Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 15:40
link
believe it...it is fast...
So I expect this one will be under the tree for Christmas or perhaps in a basket for Easter.... if I bug the wife enough about it I may even get one hurled at my head... who knows...
a solid upgrade from the k10 in every respect....
believe it...it is fast...
So I expect this one will be under the tree for Christmas or perhaps in a basket for Easter.... if I bug the wife enough about it I may even get one hurled at my head... who knows...
a solid upgrade from the k10 in every respect....
Comment by Don posted on K5, was it worth the wait? at 21/09/2010 - 14:57
mecrox wrote:
Well, a few comparisons from a couple of internet shops:
Sigma 18-125mm F3.8-5.6 DC OS HSM = 249.99
Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS = 319.99
Tokina AT-X 16.5-135mm f/3.5-5.6 Pro DX = 609.95
Pentax smc DA 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 ED AL (IF) DC WR = 599.99
Nikon 24-120mm F3.5-5.6G AF-S VR IF ED = 539.00 (end of line)
Nikon 18-200mm F3.5-5.6G ED VRII AF-S DX = £539.00
Nikon 18-105mm F3.5-5.6G DX ED VR = £199.00
As well as a couple of Nikon-fit Tamron superzooms for +/- 380-480
None is more than a similar match, some far less than others. Even so, my impression is that the new Pentax lens is way overpriced. This isn't a focal range for the professional or high-end market, so buyers will more more prepared to trade image quality against price, within limits anyway. I just don't see Pentax going anywhere by trying to price their consumer lenses at or above Canonikon levels. It's madness.
I think Pentax is betting on selling the bodies cheap and making a profit off the lenses this year.... but if the new lens is partially responsible for the faster af speeds, people will be comparing the camera and lens kit cost to the competition and in that respect a 18-135 wr, sr on a weather sealed body may look attractive compared to canon and nikons offerings... for cost as well as performance.Well, a few comparisons from a couple of internet shops:
Sigma 18-125mm F3.8-5.6 DC OS HSM = 249.99
Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS = 319.99
Tokina AT-X 16.5-135mm f/3.5-5.6 Pro DX = 609.95
Pentax smc DA 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 ED AL (IF) DC WR = 599.99
Nikon 24-120mm F3.5-5.6G AF-S VR IF ED = 539.00 (end of line)
Nikon 18-200mm F3.5-5.6G ED VRII AF-S DX = £539.00
Nikon 18-105mm F3.5-5.6G DX ED VR = £199.00
As well as a couple of Nikon-fit Tamron superzooms for +/- 380-480
None is more than a similar match, some far less than others. Even so, my impression is that the new Pentax lens is way overpriced. This isn't a focal range for the professional or high-end market, so buyers will more more prepared to trade image quality against price, within limits anyway. I just don't see Pentax going anywhere by trying to price their consumer lenses at or above Canonikon levels. It's madness.
Comment by Don posted on 18-135mm WR at 21/09/2010 - 14:43
Nice video Mike.
The K5 is supposed to be better at that as well, I can't remember if it has zoom available in video mode.
I seem to recall the K7 struggles with that.
As for bigger sensor, well anything that makes the IQ better, and the Sony sensor seems to do that, has to be worth having.
he is right in theory....
the trouble is... bee's theoretically couldn't fly... fortunately the bee's never read the theory.... then somebody came along and realized, aerodynamics was only part of the puzzle... the bees were generating vortexes off thier much too small wings, then hitting the vortexes with their wings to amplify the lift generated....
We are seeing the proof that ff sensors are needed to improve image quality being shot down right now as we speak!
the aps sensors are flying even when the existing theory said they can't fly...
this k5 and the new nikon appear to be on the line image quality wise, where full frame sensors and even some medium format sensors used to claim superiority...