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George Lazarette wrote:
K10D wrote:
pentaxian450 wrote:
I don't know if anybody noticed, but the Pentax-D FA 645 25 mm lens is on the Pentax webstore list with a selling price of $4999.95.
In keeping with Hassled & Bladdered's offering of $4396 for their 28mm offering.

WRT Mike P's post of new Canon lenses and comments of cost etc, I don't expect to see punters or pro's queuing to buy Pentax MF lenses.

Anyone buying into such systems from new needs to budget around $30K.

Makes a 400mm f/2.8 seem well cheap.

Best regards
I think you will find that most MF togs don't tend to have many lenses, and 30 grand is much more than an average Pentax 645 owner would invest in body and lenses.

You'd also find that traditionally he would have a huge investment in studio lighting, automated D&P equipment, etc.

And anyway, as a successful professional, you'd be getting a huge discount. 20% off because you don't pay VAT, and another 40% off because
it comes off your tax bill.

Cheap at the price, really.

G
I tried a similar argument on Gerri. She said something about cashflow and having to have income to write off... or something, it was all gobbledygook to me....
"That is all fine, but how does that result in me getting what I want?" sez me.

Comment by Don posted on Pentax K-5 Silver and Silver Limiteds at 08/02/2011 - 20:33

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George Lazarette wrote:
doingthebobs wrote:
Of course, it could be that the prices have been pushed up by people trading as opposed to buying for their own use? Each trade adds to the price and someone has to pay the top price!
You need a lesson in economics.

Prices are set by buyers, not sellers.

When a seller prices an item correctly, people buy. When he over-prices it, people don't.

If sellers can get high prices for their stuff, it means buyers are prepared to pay. They are saying, "These prices are OK".

G
true enough when applied on an industrial scale....

but internet sellers are a different market imho.... the whole concept of "While everyone out there in the world may not be idiots, odds are there is one idiot out there, and maybe he'll pay this much.."

reminds me of guiding trout fishermen in the arctic one summer..
A guy asks me what the fish are hitting on... I show him four hooks.
He pulls out a big tackle box and shows me something completely different than what I suggested.
The sales man had told him that was the best stuff...

I pull out a beer, drink it, flatten the can and proceed to tie it to my line...
"will that work?" the guy asks me...

" If I drag this this beer can around long enough something will bite on it eventually. But I'm here all season fishing every day. I got time. You are here for three days, if you want a fish, what I suggested is what worked yesterday and the day before, you drag that hook you bought in the city around you might as well grab a beer can"

beer would've been cheaper than that lure anyways.

fishin for suckers...

Comment by Don posted on Are Pentax getting too popular? at 08/02/2011 - 20:14

Don
I stopped buyin motorcycle magazines after a debacle where a journalist was fired for accurately reporting that snell testing was causing increased brain injuries in accidents.
the snell standard was supposed to be tougher than DOT testing and most helmet manufacturers started producing snell approved helemts costing twice as much as the dot counterparts. It was true, the helmets were tougher, but in being tougher they transmitted more force through to the brains causing brain injuries, in similar accident situations dot helmets were not causing similar injuries.
That was a situation of both manufacturers and one magazine publisher conspiring to kill the consumers of thier products over ad money.
The journalist got fired when helmet manufacturers threatened to pull thier ad money.

story got out and snell revised thier testing standards and snell approved helmet prices went down.
here is the NY times artical that got the writer fired from Motorcyclist Magazine...
link
Quote:
In one comprehensive study of real-world impact performance based on research done for Motorcyclist Magazine, presented by Mr. Thom to the Motorcycle Safety Foundation, a $79.95 helmet certified to Transportation Department standards performed the best of the 32 tested, withstanding the most violent hits while transmitting as much as 67 g’s less impact force to the headform than a $400 Snell-certified helmet.
sure cameras don't kill people but we are talking about thousands of dollars for a system, and getting duped into buying the system from the mags biggest advertiser is still fraudulent reporting. Call an ad an ad and if the review is bought, call it an ad.

Comment by Don posted on Popular Photography WTF? at 08/02/2011 - 19:34

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I've heard complaints that some 80-320's don't behave properly on the digital bodies...

Comment by Don posted on Pentax DA 55-300mm vs Pentax FA 80-320mm - Any Opinions? at 08/02/2011 - 18:56

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Dangermouse wrote:
I've always associated Kenko with filters?
and cheap conversion lenses, and teleconverters and macro tubes... which if you add pentax's c mount lens system to you get....pretty much what I said earlier...


oh yeah, Kenko can also make a cheap 500 mm mirror lens availble to Pentax, which if you add some quality hoya glass and pentax multi coatings and wr, might turn out to be a decent budget tele...

Comment by Don posted on Mirrorless... at 08/02/2011 - 18:24

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What is Kenko known for?
I'm just envisioning what the outcome might be if Mamma Hoya sits the kids, Pentax and Kenko down and tells them to play nicely together.....

Comment by Don posted on Mirrorless... at 08/02/2011 - 18:20

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Pentaxophile wrote:
In the short term perhaps, but 'flooding the market' with 4/3 lenses would strengthen the position of the brands with 4/3 bodies.

Are C-mount too small for APSC? Saw a c-mount Pentax television camera lens advertised on ebay for use on a Sony NEX...
I don't think so...
Pentax made a push once to make the k mount an industry standard. Ricoh and others flooding the market with cheap k mount lenses did not push Pentax past Nikon and Canon...... in market share.

I think c mount would vinette on aps don't know for sure. Would certianly come up short on resolving power and look soft... that much for sure.

Comment by Don posted on Mirrorless... at 08/02/2011 - 16:55

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johnriley wrote:
Quote:
Now pentax/hoya SHOULD make lenses in the 4/rds and vex mounts....
But they don't make any bodies in those mounts, so why would they?

You don't see Canon making lenses in Nikon mount.
because pentax already has lenses that could be modified to work...
Take Pentax designed lenses, add hoya glass, let Kenko make the mounts and adaptors and flood the 4/3 and vex mount systems with affordable lenses.... = make money. Take away lens profits from the competition.

Keep the Pentax brand for premium serious tools.

Comment by Don posted on Mirrorless... at 08/02/2011 - 16:34

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Now pentax/hoya/kenko SHOULD make lenses in the 4/rds and vex mounts....
but bodies? no.
How can pentax match the 15 new models a year the big companies seem to be swamping the market with?

Comment by Don posted on Mirrorless... at 08/02/2011 - 16:27

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even the rangefinders are using too many expensive optical parts....
reality of Evil class cameras is they are cheaper to manufacture, and do both photos and videos well.
Panasonic has the right idea.
Sony Vex has the the right idea.

Pentax needs to enter this market with the right tool.
a pro caliber, k mount system that does both photos and stills well, and costs a reasonable amount of money.

If I had a say, I'd say build a tank like k5 with detachable evf, flip out lcd, and get the video quality and controls up to a "Prosumer" standard.

People like wedding shooters and indie film makers will buy it.
People that already own Pentax d-slrs but want video cams will buy it.
People that need a back up body will buy it.

Comment by Don posted on Mirrorless... at 08/02/2011 - 16:20

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