Hi,

Don..no problem, just a little confusion.

Will..you kind of made my point..you had to buy a current AF ultrawide zoom to get a really wide view with an APS sensor..but I do not like AF or zooms, which is one reason I want FF or nothing.

Golf.."Just a thought, which manufacturer has a 35mm image sensor and has manual prime lenses which work on it?"

Technically only the Kodak, but as John has said, they are very poor. On the other hand, many Canon 5D users are buying adaptors and using Contax/Zeiss, Leica R, OM Zuiko and many other older mf lenses. This for me is currently the way I would have to go, but you do get limited useability with adaptors.

The best hope for me, is that Nikon make a FF DSLR, then I have Nikon AI & AIS, Zeiss ZF and Voigtlander SL lenses to use...lovely.

John..you have been mis-informed about the Contax N digital. It has the potential to give stunning images, but needs to be used in a specific way by an experienced user and many are not, so it has had mixed reviews. There are very specific improvements that can be made to it, which Contax themselves were unaware of. For many Contax users it is still held in very high regard and still fetches £2000-3000 for mint ones.

Images from the Contax N DSLR when processed correctly, still stand comparison with almost any current DSLR and in some ways it has not even yet been bettered.

Cheers Steve.M.

Hi,

" I think sometimes a person makes a post just to start an argument and get a reaction"

no..not guilty.

The purpose of the original post I made was to highlight the point that some people choose to use or in my case not use either FF or APS cameras for other reasons than the so often mentioned ones..

cheers Steve.

Hi G,

The relevance of my point 2 is that with an APS camera, I have little or no choice of manual focus ultra wide primes, but with full frame, I have plenty of choice...

cheers Steve.

..or in other words, why I would only buy and use a full frame DSLR.

Much talk here and other places about the various merits and de-merits of APS and FF sensor cameras. Most of the talk is about pixels, RAW, Jpeg and other technical points largely to do with image quality. Also much talk about the possibility of new FF models, but no camera maker has, as yet bitten the bullet and challenged Canon.

Let me firstly say that I have a Pentax istD, but only use it for web work, when I want to shoot 'serious' work, I always use my film cameras...why?

Well, putting aside any image considerations, there are two large reasons why I do not like smaller sensor cameras, either APS or four thirds or any other.

1. I place huge importance on a large clear and bright viewfinder. I really do not get along with the tiny pokey view through APS sized viewfinders..yes I know the Pentax ones are bright, but I do not care..they are simply too small for my liking.

2. I shoot manual focus prime lenses, often as wide as 18/20mm. I do not like zooms and detest autofocus..for these reasons I want full frame for my own personal reasons and the way I work. Smaller sensors just have too many compromises and issues here to satisfy me.

So, until someone comes up with a digital SLR with the same big view as my film cameras, with at least a 92-93% coverage, with at least 0.8x magnification AND is easily compatible with MF super wide lenses, then I am staying with dear old crumbly, obsolete silver halide..

cheers Steve.M.

Hi,

To the OP..

"Canon was the first!"

Actually Contax was the first with a Full frame DSLR..

..and G is right, this 'we must have FF DSLR's' is a very well worn-out and tedious issue

cheers Steve.

Hi all,

A late xmas prezzy for someone? I found this rare lens recently and just listed it on the auction site..

cheers Steve.M.

Hiya,

Well said, but IMO this is a not a Leica issue, but an on-going issue with many digital products. Both Nikon and Canon have had issues with their DSLR's including some of the top end ones.

Digital products are complex and the camera makers are trying to solve very tricky problems caused by the digital products inherant weaknesses and foibles. Also IMO the camera makers are making rods for their own backs by rushing out products to market before they are fully sorted.

This happens purely because of the very fast paced market and products becoming obsolete (in a marketing sense) so quickly. Olympus have taken so long developing their E-1 replacement that the E-2 has now been leap-frogged and the new Olympus top end machine will be the E-3.

Likewise I believe Fuji have given up on the S4 and will be bringing out the S5 instead. This never happened with film products, it is simply due to the camera market now being in the electronics industry instead of the optics/mechanical industry.

Some observers believe the very succcessful Canon 5D is inherantly flawed and vignettes to an unacceptable extent with some lenses.,,another issue with digital products..

cheers Steve.

Hiya.

I would say that 98% of film cameras being sold on evilbay are being used, not collected..

....did I just make up something?...oops...

...John..how about a poll as to the most beautiful camera in members opinions?

cheers Steve.

Hiya all,

George...I am SHOCKED! you live in London and you made up a story? do you know Tony Bliar?

John..the number of new film cameras for sale in one small shop has little to do with the number of users still snapping with film.

We all here I think peek at the evilbay? how many used film cameras sell on there week in and week out? ..thousands....I have a sneaky feeling that most are NOT being used as paperweights..

cheers Steve.

Hi,

George..."98% of serous photographers use digital"

Please let us know the source of this fact.

cheers Steve.