Thanks a lot, i only took a couple of shots with the 21mm so can't judge yet (only looked on the camera screen), i also realized i had never really set the camera properly (bought second hand and hadn't done a full reset, found out some settings were a bit strange).

regarding your comment about pre digital era, do you think the 24mm FA * is also bad? it's bigger so might not be ideal.

thanks for your advice, i've just ordered a 21mm f3.2 (older version), hopefully i will receive it on time for my upcoming trip to Amsterdam on Thursday.
I think i will also buy a Pentax * 24mm f2 from Japan at some point, i haven't ordered anything from them yet so i'm a bit nervous, prices seem fairly good (around 250 euros to which i believe i need to add 50 euros for VAT so 300).
I might also get a 20-40mm.
It's been awhile since i bought a few lenses to try out.

Thanks yes I’ll keep looking, doesn’t seem to me many options at the moment but that can change.

thanks a lot, i did not realize there was a 1.8 version of the 24mm Sigma, however it looks too big/bulky, unless someone can say the image quality is much better than on zoom lens, i dont think it makes sense for me. (as in i would like to have a super small lens to carry around, same size as the 35 or 50mm)

thanks, i had it awhile ago, i decided to keep the Sigma 10-20mm, i can't remember exactly why. But (aside from my last comment about the 11-18mm which i guess makes this post confusing), i am leaning towards a prime-light-super sharp lens.

Hello,
I'm back into using my camera after a few years off, i just acquired a 16-85mm for my holidays, unfortunately i was dumb enough to buy a "cheap" Hama CPL which i left on the whole time (lazy?!), my photos are mostly soft. I will try next week on a trip to Amsterdam, using a new expensive CPL (K&F Nano X), and also without filter this time.
After that trip i had my son's birthday and took out my 35mm and 50mm, i am very impressed with the results of those prime lenses, and i also love the size and weight. Would love to get something similar but wider, ideally around the 20mm.
I have a 24mm old manual Sigma 2.8 which i find very good, however with kids moving i find it difficult to have things in focus, i realized there is a newer (still 20+ years old) autofocus, which i can acquire for about 150 euros it seems.
I also see there are some older Pentax 20 and 24mm, very hard to find it seems though (and pricier). I wonder if I should stick to the Sigma. I also the Pentax 21mm which is now cheaper but the reviews aren't convincing, I had a HD 15mm a decade ago, and though the reviews claim to be amazing, it was way too soft for me to be usable unfortunately.
Any lens I may be missing? i don't mind spending a bit more if needed, though i find new lenses prices above 1K to be a bit excessive for my rare shooting..
I also saw the 11-18mm, wider, shinier, but much bigger too, which i would consider to replace my 10-20mm sigma, but the price is also a big turn off.
I shoot on a KP so it's APS-C cropped sensor.

I would buy it if I didn’t already have one! One of my favorite lenses, very underrated.

i bought a TG7 too... trip starts on Sunday.

update: I've acquired a 16-85mm ("replacing" the 17-50mm), it fits in Tamrac Jazz bag (though it won't with a filter..), similar size/weight, but i gain 1mm wide angle and 35mm of zoom, losing the f2.8.. it's also water resistant, now my 17-50mm has no value anymore anyway so not that i would care. I think this will be good for the holidays.

I might buy a rugged TG7 if i find a decent price, the Pentax WG really have too many bad reviews and i think without RAW it might not make any sense.

thanks for all the advice/suggestions.

yes it seems to be a good compromise size wise. I had a 15mm back in the days but it wasn't sharp enough for me, i never understood why this lens is so highly regarded.


Yes the 10-20 + 17-50 used to be my way to go, but with two kids and a wife who always takes too much, i can forget the 10-20. The 17-50 + KP still fit into my small camera bag, i might just go with just this, and still get a waterproof camera for the fun with kids in the water. I admit i haven't used the 17-50mm near the sea/sand, maybe it'll do fine (it's starting to be old anyway..)