Joe are Per Bak Jensen landscapes photos art because you come back to them?
Just trying to find the meaning of art because that reason isn't a very good one.

Content (meaning), that is what devides everything.
Although arranging flowers can be an art form Joe, some flowers do mean something and combining them in such a way you can create an art piece, simply colours alone is also enough.

btw do we all know what photography means?
Painting with light, so photographers are light painters and painters are artists.

ps. I see George was faster then me, had this open while writing my content or form comment

Well Joe at least know what I mean and David also.
To David, it's very true what you said but I asked what you find more important and I think everyone can make a choice about that.

Okay for the rest of you, what is content and form.
To keep it very black and white.
Content is what the image shows and that ask for emotion.
Form is more the technical aspects, so sharpness, composition, lighting, etc.
But to make it complicated form can be content aswell... if you don't understand, think about it but you can always ask (hint=abstract).

A good example of a type of photography were content is very important is journalisme.
Here is a photo of Patrick Chauvel.


It isn't sharp, the DOF is placed uncorrectly, composition is nowhere to be found so it doesn't score points on form.
Still when you look at this photo you begin to wander what is happening in the shot, why is the man in the midle looking so painfully and why are the rest pulling on his cloths, is he afraid, are they mad... thats what we call content.

I hope things are a bit clear now if not think about writing.
Content is the meaning of the words, sentence, story and form is the style of that and so also in photography we always have content and form as well.

Although I think we all agree that it's hard to find a content in a drop that falls in water or Amin's smoke photos for example.
Amin I'm not saying that they are bad since the form is very good although you don't have meaning behind, no content really.
That brings me to the point I want to make, most of us (myself included) are only showing photos that are pretty and not because they are meaningful or show emotion.

There are some exceptions of course, one I can think of are the photos of the homeless people and the photos from the demostration some months ago and there are some more where I can think of now.
I know that most of us do photography where it is hard to bring meaning in the photo, it just isn't the style for it and I understand that so don't start there.
What I'm trying to say is that we should try to look more at the content of photos and less hard on how well it is shot (form), I'm afraid that the focus on form is keeping maybe some beauties of photographs full of content away from our eyes because they aren't very well shot.

*sighs* that's it, hopefully it's understandable for everyone.
I didn't use a spellcheck on this so there might be some mistakes, so please look over that.

I'm glad to explain form and content better if anyone ask, so really please do that since the matter is deeper then I portray here.

A very simple question.
What do you find more important in a photograph, content or form?

I want to ask this question because I see a lot of photos here without any content. Maybe people are scared to put them up simply because the form of the photo isn't good, most comments here are afterall based on form and therefore form looks very important here.
It can also be that most photography we do is form based...

If he use it like me and bounce it against the ceiling then you can only do that when the heads swivels.

btw Felix why did you say the Metz is better then the Pentax?

Yves that's a firmware/software update, if you've a color munki you can get it for free.
See page 2 of your link for the links to x-rite for the updates.

The problem wasn't that it was too hard to understand but that it was too simple for the bit more advance users and that hardly anything is explained in details.

I haven't heard anything about a new version, there are now 3 versions link
If you have a link for the new version that would be great.

What price range?
I'm sure we can name many lenses but they will probable cost 4 times as much or more then the camera did.

Thank you Yves, how easy do you find it to use.
I saw some complains about the interface, more about the line that it hardly explain anything.

Thank you Graham.
I've read some reviews about the ColorMunki it seems to work quite good but is still considered budget gear. It does have a very nice feature to fine tune prints for a particular photos. It chose 50 of the most used colours in the photo and calibrate those to get a so good as perfect print, so very handy.
Although the price...
I'm now looking for sending family photos of to a printer those are far cheaper but some prints I want to control everything myself.

I find them too glossy, too plastic finish so to say. I'm quite picky about that and the Epson paper shines just pretty.
I do have canon matt paper and that one is good and used it quite a lot as well but the glossy isn't for me.