Thoramay I know where you're coming from and you're right but why do we seek those pleasures, just because we are human?
Like I said 42 can be the real answer.

Thank you Tech, basicly what gives us pleasure is dopamine and various endorphins released by the brain but I find it hard to say that we make art because of that...

I know what you're trying to say that photos have a personal attachment and that's indeed a reason to make photos but not a reason to make art.

I sometimes wonder when I read a book why the writer wrote the book, it goes down the same line what I'm trying to get a answer on.

I agree with Mike, it would take some more.

What I do like is that Pentax would be split up, I fully trust Hoya with the lenses, now why don't go and develop that further and leave the body up to Kodak or Samsung which in turn I don't trust with the lenses.

However Hoya did make the successful K-M and K-X and the K-7 isn't doing bad either right and we like the way these camera look and feel so in my eye they Hoya aren't doing a bad job at all.

Technoidiot, this name really doesn't suit you, can we not call you by the first two letters of your name or something like that?
Please think about it, I at least don't like to call you that forever on the forum

It's great to have this hobby and trying to get the skill to be able to create what you envision. I won't deny that being able to do that is not art but like I said I don't want to talk about art in that form but of something that is aestheticly pleasing and why you want to create that.
You said that you take photos because it pleases you to do that and a deeper meaning of why this pleases you is what I looking for, why do people go to all the trouble to capture the world or an object in a way they imaging it... is it to bring over an emotion, message or just to let them see with what kind of eyes they see the world?

Martin, your voice is your own, it's what you makes you that's nothing something that can be learned, the same way how you frame or see a photo, the signature you're talking about that's pure individuality, I agree that you can develop that and change it but you will have a super hard time to shoot in precisely and I truly mean precisely the same way as some else shoot. Just like people can mimic someone else but you always hear a small difference how good they might be.

I never hear someone say that they sing because they are under the shower but yeah they sing because of an emotion what they want to express.
Now my question is why do we feel the need to express that emotion, that's basicly the basic of art right to bring over emotion but why would we want to do that?
That's the point I can't lay my finger on.

That's indeed a problem Jo, hopefully you manage to upload your photo.
All the best of luck from me

Stan why are you enjoy it?
If you can answer that one that would be great

Art is a big word, it's hard to say what's art or not.
Can nature be art in his own, I mean just you watching at a tree where the sun shines and you linking the view... is that then art?

Martin what I mean is that I don't mean the word art as a skill but the other meaning of the word.

I like with what you're going with your comment.
The signature you talk about has in my eyes nothing to do with skill but with individuality, atleast it does not take skill to be differnt or do something your way.
The same about the photographic eye.
Now the skill to capture what you see in your mind (imaging) that's indeed art but that type of art is not the way I like to go down with this topic because we would be talking about skill then basicly.

That does not answer the question why do you take photos or make art?
Or how you put it better what drives you to take photos?

With photography it's hard to explain, instead of that use the word singing, why do you sing?

No Andrew you got it wrong the question is simply but the answer is hard

So simply put it you saw something pleasing to your eyes and you captured that?
Like Martin said: "I'll guess I am trying to record life as I like it to be.
Not necessary 1:1 truthfully. Nature or life provides me with the raw materials and I try to shape that in to something that pleases me."

Now comes the question of course why do I look at your photos?
I think it comes down to see the world through someone else his eyes.

Ah yes but those shots are aesthetic pleasing if we are just talking about recording a moment in time then a CCTV is just as good or not?

Jo, like Tony said, I'm more then happy to help you or else I didn't offered it.

Don't worry about your photo not being good enough, maybe it's far better then you thought it would be, same happened to me once and I won

Just to put you out of your misery I'm going to help you.
It would be a shame if you would put all my hard work to nothing



First upload your photo.
Simply hover your mouse over the gallery button and click in the drop down menu on upload photos and follow the steps.
If everything is al right the photo should appear when you click "My Portfolio" in the top right corner.
(You've nothing there so we will use Tony portfolio.)

When you're in the portfolio you should see this link
Then click on the photo you want and it opens the photo, once again click on the photo and it opens a larger version. I've used Tony photo with the duck link

Now here comes the tricky bit since it involves which browser you use, try to right click on the photo and see if you can say open image or something along that line. If you've it you should see just the photo and a website address that ends on .jpg
If you're using internet explore then do right click on the photo and go to properties it should open a tab with information about the photo including an URL address that's what you need.

Now copy that address ending on .jpg in your comment, highlight it (select the text) and press on the Image you see when typing you comment, same place where the smilies are

you should get something that looks like this.
(img)https://www.pentaxuser.com/images/gallery/2009/11/large/who-you-calling-al-orang...(/img)

() should be []

if everything is correct then you get to see this in your final comment when you preview or submit it.



Hopefully that does the trick for you, it sounds complicated now but you just need to do it once, the second time it's much simpler.

ps. credits for the images goes to Tony

Martin thank you for your comment... it might get down to human nature that we make art.
If you make something to satisfy you in an aesthetic then it is art though.

Ah Mike you take a different approach to what I mean with your last comment it indeed takes skill but what is recorded does not need to be art although it's an art if you can record it so good but we aren't talking about skill here.

like Martin said what drives you to do it and I want an answer that does not involve that it takes skill or anything, but what put you too it to record it?