Which one would you choose?
Posted 25/08/2010 - 00:17
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Comments like this tend to do it John:-
That can be read as 'you are silly buying option A or B, go for secret option C'
Now, whilst this might not be aimed at me in person, in fact it was aimed at Stefan, it is in the public domain, beginners may be coming here for advice, and yours just came across as condescending to me, and as such, it touched a nerve. Hence my comment.
Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
Sorry John, just expected more from you than the 'just buy this one' train of thought.
johnriley wrote:
Yes, totally OTT. Try a Sony laptop for around £700 and you will have a very nice 17" screen and all the spec you could possibly want..
The original post was comparing 2x machines around twice the price and one of the 1st comments that is mentioned is 'I think I need an Apple'Yes, totally OTT. Try a Sony laptop for around £700 and you will have a very nice 17" screen and all the spec you could possibly want..
That can be read as 'you are silly buying option A or B, go for secret option C'
Now, whilst this might not be aimed at me in person, in fact it was aimed at Stefan, it is in the public domain, beginners may be coming here for advice, and yours just came across as condescending to me, and as such, it touched a nerve. Hence my comment.
Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
Sorry John, just expected more from you than the 'just buy this one' train of thought.
Posted 25/08/2010 - 00:33
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Unlocker wrote:
Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
Blame that all on me Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
It was Robbie that asked if those are the only two choice and I quoted Robbie's post in agreement and stated a model that might be interested, sadly it was completely the wrong model I had in mind but that's beside the point.
Then it was followed by other members saying what they think are good phones so Danny it is silly to blame what happened there on such an instance that had nothing to do where the thread ended.
Posted 25/08/2010 - 00:49
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Anvh wrote:
The Macbook Pro is now sadly out of the picture because I haven't realized the performance would drop 50% when you use Windows instead of Mac OS.
I own one. I've put Windows on it. No it doesn't.The Macbook Pro is now sadly out of the picture because I haven't realized the performance would drop 50% when you use Windows instead of Mac OS.
PC World Magazine, 2007 'The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year is a Mac'
You're getting a copy of CS4 for the Mac as part of your course, forget to mention this in your initial post and end up choosing not to buy a Mac.
You've been mulling this over for months, you pretend you have a choice this morning, it's all over this afternoon.
Time to stop taking us for a ride and grow up Stefan.
Posted 25/08/2010 - 08:00
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Up to your old tricks again Stefan?
Anvh wrote:
It was Robbie that asked if those are the only two choice and I quoted Robbie's post in agreement and stated a model that might be interested, sadly it was completely the wrong model I had in mind but that's beside the point.
But that is what you always do Stefan! You post something inaccurate (which you could have easily confirmed on Google if you really cared) which kicks off a big argument, then afterwards you say something like "oops, was that little old me who started that huge argument, my apologies, I got it wrong". I can't believe Danny fell for it again!
Unlocker wrote:
Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
Blame that all on me Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
It was Robbie that asked if those are the only two choice and I quoted Robbie's post in agreement and stated a model that might be interested, sadly it was completely the wrong model I had in mind but that's beside the point.
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Posted 25/08/2010 - 08:32
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If you don't want to be drawn into a conversation, then just don't be. I know it's tempting, but people are entitled to their opinions and we all find that sometimes we disagree with others.
Just don't make it personal. For example, and I'll use myself as an example rather than others, you can find my comment condescending, but not me personally. Not a problem.
The trouble starts when people direct their comments at each other and then it becomes personal, rather than just being a discussion. Perhaps something to bear in mind?
Just don't make it personal. For example, and I'll use myself as an example rather than others, you can find my comment condescending, but not me personally. Not a problem.
The trouble starts when people direct their comments at each other and then it becomes personal, rather than just being a discussion. Perhaps something to bear in mind?
Best regards, John
Posted 25/08/2010 - 10:40
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I'm thinking of having either beans on toast or spaghetti on toast for tea tonight, can anyone help me with my decision?
I must make it clear that I hate beans, in my opinion they are totally inferior to spaghetti, but I am considering them as they have them at my local shop so would welcome your input. Unless of course, your input suggests beans, then I will reel off many spurious reasons why beans are no good and why I will be having spaghetti on toast tonight.
Any advice guys?
I must make it clear that I hate beans, in my opinion they are totally inferior to spaghetti, but I am considering them as they have them at my local shop so would welcome your input. Unless of course, your input suggests beans, then I will reel off many spurious reasons why beans are no good and why I will be having spaghetti on toast tonight.
Any advice guys?
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Posted 25/08/2010 - 10:47
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Unlocker wrote:
PC World Magazine, 2007 'The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year is a Mac'
But that's 2007 not really relevant since they updated the model several time Anvh wrote:
The Macbook Pro is now sadly out of the picture because I haven't realized the performance would drop 50% when you use Windows instead of Mac OS.
I own one. I've put Windows on it. No it doesn't.The Macbook Pro is now sadly out of the picture because I haven't realized the performance would drop 50% when you use Windows instead of Mac OS.
PC World Magazine, 2007 'The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year is a Mac'
It's seems you're right though it still has very decent performance with windows link
You see this thread is useful
Unlocker wrote:
You're getting a copy of CS4 for the Mac as part of your course, forget to mention this in your initial post and end up choosing not to buy a Mac.
Maybe I don't know because what I quoted was from another course nothing is said with the study I want to follow.You're getting a copy of CS4 for the Mac as part of your course, forget to mention this in your initial post and end up choosing not to buy a Mac.
Also like you have mentioned I've said in the first sentence of this thread I think I need an Apple Almighty Danny who knows it all, which course am I going to follow there and does it say with that I'm going to get a Macbook with CS4?
Btw they just called and the course I applied to in Rotterdam didn't had enough students so they pulled the plug, I can start in February or in another location.
thoughton wrote:
Up to your old tricks again Stefan?
Tim you too it seems, just posting here about this and then I need to be the adult when I'm the younger than you or Danny Up to your old tricks again Stefan?
Anvh wrote:
It was Robbie that asked if those are the only two choice and I quoted Robbie's post in agreement and stated a model that might be interested, sadly it was completely the wrong model I had in mind but that's beside the point.
But that is what you always do Stefan! You post something inaccurate (which you could have easily confirmed on Google if you really cared) which kicks off a big argument, then afterwards you say something like "oops, was that little old me who started that huge argument, my apologies, I got it wrong". I can't believe Danny fell for it again! Unlocker wrote:
Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
Blame that all on me Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
It was Robbie that asked if those are the only two choice and I quoted Robbie's post in agreement and stated a model that might be interested, sadly it was completely the wrong model I had in mind but that's beside the point.
So because I posted a comment there about the Samsung Wave that whole thread got hot and went to be anti Apple since that's the blame I get shoved in my shoes now.
Get real will you
thoughton wrote:
then afterwards you say something like "oops, was that little old me who started that huge argument, my apologies, I got it wrong"
I've no idea where I said so please link me to it.then afterwards you say something like "oops, was that little old me who started that huge argument, my apologies, I got it wrong"
And was that little old????
About the Iphone Nexus thread, Danny at the end was saying I was use wrong numbers according to his sources and funny enough when you compare they match but well according to you I'm always the one that's wrong link
johnriley wrote:
If you don't want to be drawn into a conversation, then just don't be. I know it's tempting, but people are entitled to their opinions and we all find that sometimes we disagree with others.
Just don't make it personal. For example, and I'll use myself as an example rather than others, you can find my comment condescending, but not me personally. Not a problem.
The trouble starts when people direct their comments at each other and then it becomes personal, rather than just being a discussion. Perhaps something to bear in mind?
The problem is they are excusing me that I got things heated again while that isn't true.If you don't want to be drawn into a conversation, then just don't be. I know it's tempting, but people are entitled to their opinions and we all find that sometimes we disagree with others.
Just don't make it personal. For example, and I'll use myself as an example rather than others, you can find my comment condescending, but not me personally. Not a problem.
The trouble starts when people direct their comments at each other and then it becomes personal, rather than just being a discussion. Perhaps something to bear in mind?
First Danny says Please don't turn this into the usual Mac v PC thread as it's not needed on the first page and on the second page he and polchraine have a heated discussion about prices.
But well things are so one sided.
Posted 25/08/2010 - 10:50
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Stefan,
http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=NRSX16...
That has the 16" RGBLED screen ... Dell can be flexible and if it is on the UK website but not Dutch, CALL and ASK.
http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=NRSX16...
That has the 16" RGBLED screen ... Dell can be flexible and if it is on the UK website but not Dutch, CALL and ASK.
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A x2S teleconverter and a few others ...
K20D, *istD, MZ-S, Super-A, ME Super, MX
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, DA* 300,
DA 50-200, FA 24-90, FA 20-35,
M 400-600, A 50 f1.4, A 28 f2.8, A 70-210, M 35-80, M 50 f1.7
A x2S teleconverter and a few others ...
Posted 25/08/2010 - 10:56
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robbie_d wrote:
I'm thinking of having either beans on toast or spaghetti on toast for tea tonight, can anyone help me with my decision?
I must make it clear that I hate beans, in my opinion they are totally inferior to spaghetti, but I am considering them as they have them at my local shop so would welcome your input. Unless of course, your input suggests beans, then I will reel off many spurious reasons why beans are no good and why I will be having spaghetti on toast tonight.
Any advice guys?
You must eat beans because they are healthy and spaghetti alone is not I'm thinking of having either beans on toast or spaghetti on toast for tea tonight, can anyone help me with my decision?
I must make it clear that I hate beans, in my opinion they are totally inferior to spaghetti, but I am considering them as they have them at my local shop so would welcome your input. Unless of course, your input suggests beans, then I will reel off many spurious reasons why beans are no good and why I will be having spaghetti on toast tonight.
Any advice guys?
But lets use Apple and Windows now, I've never said that the Macbook isn't a good product.
I said I was worried that a same priced windows machine might be more powerful and basically that was my question.
The only time I got negative about it was that I'm not able to use his full potential because I need to run windows on it most of the time, which then run slower than similar priced machines.
Posted 25/08/2010 - 10:57
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polchraine wrote:
Stefan,
http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=NRSX16...
That has the 16" RGBLED screen ... Dell can be flexible and if it is on the UK website but not Dutch, CALL and ASK.
Ah super, thank you. Stefan,
http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=NRSX16...
That has the 16" RGBLED screen ... Dell can be flexible and if it is on the UK website but not Dutch, CALL and ASK.
I just need to give them a call and see what can be done
Posted 25/08/2010 - 11:04
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You could try ordering from the UK - or threaten to! It is the 25th today and month end is next Tuesday. By Friday they will be striving to meet their targets.
Don't forget - minimal memory and work on a free docking station/port replicator.
Don't forget - minimal memory and work on a free docking station/port replicator.
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M 400-600, A 50 f1.4, A 28 f2.8, A 70-210, M 35-80, M 50 f1.7
A x2S teleconverter and a few others ...
K20D, *istD, MZ-S, Super-A, ME Super, MX
DA* 16-50, DA* 50-135, DA* 300,
DA 50-200, FA 24-90, FA 20-35,
M 400-600, A 50 f1.4, A 28 f2.8, A 70-210, M 35-80, M 50 f1.7
A x2S teleconverter and a few others ...
Posted 25/08/2010 - 11:46
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Anvh wrote:
Since all the programs I've are windows based I need to use the bootcamp like you said to get most basic things running but I don't need Mac (I think?) so I've a choice.
I do have my hopes on the Macbook, battery life is just amazing and the specs are good enough. On Mac OS I would run Lightroom and Photoshop, I believe that Mac OS is faster certainly if I keep it purely for those programs but I'm worried that mac OS doesn't make enough difference compared to the better hardware in the DELL
Top of page 2 "but I don't need Mac". There endeth the discussion. Why are you considering one if you don't need one?
Unlocker wrote:
Please don't turn this into the usual Mac v PC thread as it's not needed, but it's seems to me that you either want or need a Mac, so at these kind of price points I just don't see it as £1275 for a PC OR £1545 for a Mac, I see it as £1275 for a PC OR £1545 for a Mac AND a PC.
There is no way around it really It's either a Mac or PC so you need to put them against each other, so it's a Mac VS PC but hopefully not the typical indeed.Please don't turn this into the usual Mac v PC thread as it's not needed, but it's seems to me that you either want or need a Mac, so at these kind of price points I just don't see it as £1275 for a PC OR £1545 for a Mac, I see it as £1275 for a PC OR £1545 for a Mac AND a PC.
Since all the programs I've are windows based I need to use the bootcamp like you said to get most basic things running but I don't need Mac (I think?) so I've a choice.
I do have my hopes on the Macbook, battery life is just amazing and the specs are good enough. On Mac OS I would run Lightroom and Photoshop, I believe that Mac OS is faster certainly if I keep it purely for those programs but I'm worried that mac OS doesn't make enough difference compared to the better hardware in the DELL
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Posted 25/08/2010 - 11:48
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Anvh wrote:
It's seems you're right though it still has very decent performance with windows link
You see this thread is useful
Also like you have mentioned I've said in the first sentence of this thread I think I need an Apple Almighty Danny who knows it all, which course am I going to follow there and does it say with that I'm going to get a Macbook with CS4?
Btw they just called and the course I applied to in Rotterdam didn't had enough students so they pulled the plug, I can start in February or in another location.
Tim you too it seems, just posting here about this and then I need to be the adult when I'm the younger than you or Danny Unlocker wrote:
PC World Magazine, 2007 'The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year is a Mac'
But that's 2007 not really relevant since they updated the model several time Anvh wrote:
The Macbook Pro is now sadly out of the picture because I haven't realized the performance would drop 50% when you use Windows instead of Mac OS.
I own one. I've put Windows on it. No it doesn't.The Macbook Pro is now sadly out of the picture because I haven't realized the performance would drop 50% when you use Windows instead of Mac OS.
PC World Magazine, 2007 'The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year is a Mac'
It's seems you're right though it still has very decent performance with windows link
You see this thread is useful
Unlocker wrote:
You're getting a copy of CS4 for the Mac as part of your course, forget to mention this in your initial post and end up choosing not to buy a Mac.
Maybe I don't know because what I quoted was from another course nothing is said with the study I want to follow.You're getting a copy of CS4 for the Mac as part of your course, forget to mention this in your initial post and end up choosing not to buy a Mac.
Also like you have mentioned I've said in the first sentence of this thread I think I need an Apple Almighty Danny who knows it all, which course am I going to follow there and does it say with that I'm going to get a Macbook with CS4?
Btw they just called and the course I applied to in Rotterdam didn't had enough students so they pulled the plug, I can start in February or in another location.
thoughton wrote:
Up to your old tricks again Stefan?
It was Robbie that asked if those are the only two choice and I quoted Robbie's post in agreement and stated a model that might be interested, sadly it was completely the wrong model I had in mind but that's beside the point.
But that is what you always do Stefan! You post something inaccurate (which you could have easily confirmed on Google if you really cared) which kicks off a big argument, then afterwards you say something like "oops, was that little old me who started that huge argument, my apologies, I got it wrong". I can't believe Danny fell for it again! Up to your old tricks again Stefan?
Anvh wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="Unlocker"]Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
Blame that all on me [quote:3496ace15f="Unlocker"]Reminded me of a thread where the title was 'iPhone or Nexus One' and Stefan suggests a Samsung instead, and look what happened there.
It was Robbie that asked if those are the only two choice and I quoted Robbie's post in agreement and stated a model that might be interested, sadly it was completely the wrong model I had in mind but that's beside the point.
So because I posted a comment there about the Samsung Wave that whole thread got hot and went to be anti Apple since that's the blame I get shoved in my shoes now.
Get real will you
thoughton wrote:
then afterwards you say something like "oops, was that little old me who started that huge argument, my apologies, I got it wrong"
I've no idea where I said so please link me to it.then afterwards you say something like "oops, was that little old me who started that huge argument, my apologies, I got it wrong"
And was that little old????
About the Iphone Nexus thread, Danny at the end was saying I was use wrong numbers according to his sources and funny enough when you compare they match but well according to you I'm always the one that's wrong link
johnriley wrote:
If you don't want to be drawn into a conversation, then just don't be. I know it's tempting, but people are entitled to their opinions and we all find that sometimes we disagree with others.
Just don't make it personal. For example, and I'll use myself as an example rather than others, you can find my comment condescending, but not me personally. Not a problem.
The trouble starts when people direct their comments at each other and then it becomes personal, rather than just being a discussion. Perhaps something to bear in mind?
The problem is they are excusing me that I got things heated again while that isn't true.If you don't want to be drawn into a conversation, then just don't be. I know it's tempting, but people are entitled to their opinions and we all find that sometimes we disagree with others.
Just don't make it personal. For example, and I'll use myself as an example rather than others, you can find my comment condescending, but not me personally. Not a problem.
The trouble starts when people direct their comments at each other and then it becomes personal, rather than just being a discussion. Perhaps something to bear in mind?
First Danny says Please don't turn this into the usual Mac v PC thread as it's not needed on the first page and on the second page he and polchraine have a heated discussion about prices.
But well things are so one sided.[/quote]So all that 50% worse when running Windows was just guff you made up then?
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Posted 25/08/2010 - 11:51
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Anvh wrote:
But lets use Apple and Windows now, I've never said that the Macbook isn't a good product.
I said I was worried that a same priced windows machine might be more powerful and basically that was my question.
The only time I got negative about it was that I'm not able to use his full potential because I need to run windows on it most of the time, which then run slower than similar priced machines.
But I read a blog that said spaghetti is healthy and beans aren't. And I don't like the fact that the beans manufacturer makes me open the can with a can opener, rather than another device of my choosing. It's such a closed garden approach. Spaghetti is much better.
robbie_d wrote:
I'm thinking of having either beans on toast or spaghetti on toast for tea tonight, can anyone help me with my decision?
I must make it clear that I hate beans, in my opinion they are totally inferior to spaghetti, but I am considering them as they have them at my local shop so would welcome your input. Unless of course, your input suggests beans, then I will reel off many spurious reasons why beans are no good and why I will be having spaghetti on toast tonight.
Any advice guys?
You must eat beans because they are healthy and spaghetti alone is not I'm thinking of having either beans on toast or spaghetti on toast for tea tonight, can anyone help me with my decision?
I must make it clear that I hate beans, in my opinion they are totally inferior to spaghetti, but I am considering them as they have them at my local shop so would welcome your input. Unless of course, your input suggests beans, then I will reel off many spurious reasons why beans are no good and why I will be having spaghetti on toast tonight.
Any advice guys?
But lets use Apple and Windows now, I've never said that the Macbook isn't a good product.
I said I was worried that a same priced windows machine might be more powerful and basically that was my question.
The only time I got negative about it was that I'm not able to use his full potential because I need to run windows on it most of the time, which then run slower than similar priced machines.
If you can't say something nice about Pentax, you won't say anything at all.
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