which camera k20 ,kx,k7?
Posted 07/05/2010 - 20:55
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I had a Pentax K10d which I loved but had some money to upgrade, the K20 did not catch my attention but it is a good camera. To be honest I was thinking about a Canon 40d but as I had two Pentax lenses it was a tuff choice, then I heard about the Pentax K7 it seemed like it was what I was after and it was Pentax so I could use my lenses. Well I have had mine for almost a year now and I love it, I know there are people who will tell you otherwise but I have never really noticed any noise, but then I have never shot at over ISO 800. Well today I downloaded Topaz Labs DeNoise, it really is a good bit of software and have taken shots at high ISO setting to see how the software copes, it really is good. So my opinion is even if you need to shoot at high ISO levels and notice noise, just use Topaz Labs DeNoise and you will be more than happy with a Pentax K7 just go and hold one and take a few shots. I do a lot of Outdoor stuff in very cold and wet conditions so the K7 handles everything I have to cope with.
I hope you find the right Camera for your needs.
I hope you find the right Camera for your needs.
Fletcher8.
Posted 07/05/2010 - 20:56
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This question reads as though it should end with "Discuss" There is far too much to say to compare the K200D, K20D, K-x and K-7: all very different beasts. I suggest you read up on the various reviews available online.
The more specific question about low light in the K-x is perhaps easier to answer. The K-x is reputed (I don't have one) to have better high ISO performance than the K20D and the K-7 at the expense of slighter poorer low ISO performance. If this is the case, then this is due to the sensor in the camera body, not the lens.
Best wishes (and welcome), Kris.
The more specific question about low light in the K-x is perhaps easier to answer. The K-x is reputed (I don't have one) to have better high ISO performance than the K20D and the K-7 at the expense of slighter poorer low ISO performance. If this is the case, then this is due to the sensor in the camera body, not the lens.
Best wishes (and welcome), Kris.
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
Posted 07/05/2010 - 21:04 - Helpful Comment
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I cant comment on the k20 or k-7 other than i chose a k-x over both because of the newer tech and low light capabilities, i love it and dont regret my decision. another factor in making my choice was i'd of been annoyed if a few months after buying a k-7 they produced a new one with the low light capabilities of the k-x with the higher end spec of the k-7, so when they bring a new one out i'll be looking at my options in a year or so.
Some people also say the AA batteries of the k-x is a problem as apposed to the lithium of the k20 and k-7, i personally prefer the AA's, there cheap for good rechargeables and available anywhere, so if your caught short one day maybe slipped up and forgot your second set of batteries, you can buy them anywhere.
Some people also say the AA batteries of the k-x is a problem as apposed to the lithium of the k20 and k-7, i personally prefer the AA's, there cheap for good rechargeables and available anywhere, so if your caught short one day maybe slipped up and forgot your second set of batteries, you can buy them anywhere.
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DA 18-55mm AL WR DAL 50-200mm Tamron 70-300mm, Auto Chinon 28mm 2.8. sigma 30mm 1.4 DC
Metz 48 af-1
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DA 18-55mm AL WR DAL 50-200mm Tamron 70-300mm, Auto Chinon 28mm 2.8. sigma 30mm 1.4 DC
Metz 48 af-1
Flickr
Posted 07/05/2010 - 23:15
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i want to take professional looking shots ,like many i have seen on this site ,but not achieved afterwards on a computer,thats cheating i feel.I refused to use a calculator in my maths exam .I still got a grade 1 so think i did right thing,and i still add up big numbers in my head while others stay silent or look for a pen and paper,or use their mobile phone.well technology is here for better or worse,but i have brought the k200 mainly for recording my new baby daughter's first years,brought some highly recomended manual lenses takumar ,ziess to name a few,just want to learn now and to make great pic,s without editing.so please give your views, is the k200 good?and is the kx better.cheers nigel.
Posted 07/05/2010 - 23:40 - Helpful Comment
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The K200D is a good camera and capable of producing excellent pictures. You won't necessarily do any better with the K-x.
As to editing on the computer, you will have to do some if you want good photographs. You don't have to go overboard with HDR, cloning or whacky effects but digital images need a little tweaking to get the best out of them, e.g., adjusting levels, contrast and sharpening. This is no different to making choices in the darkroom really, such as doing a test strip for exposure, choosing one paper over another or deciding on what grade of paper to use. If you are worried about noise, that can also be dramatically improved by using the tools available, such as the noise reduction in Lightroom 3 beta 2.
If you already have a set of good manual lenses, the best thing you could do is invest in a good quality split screen to help with focusing such as the one from katz-eye. I have only just fitted one in my K20D and should have done so ages ago, it makes a hell of a difference.
Good luck with photographing your child!
Best wishes, Kris.
As to editing on the computer, you will have to do some if you want good photographs. You don't have to go overboard with HDR, cloning or whacky effects but digital images need a little tweaking to get the best out of them, e.g., adjusting levels, contrast and sharpening. This is no different to making choices in the darkroom really, such as doing a test strip for exposure, choosing one paper over another or deciding on what grade of paper to use. If you are worried about noise, that can also be dramatically improved by using the tools available, such as the noise reduction in Lightroom 3 beta 2.
If you already have a set of good manual lenses, the best thing you could do is invest in a good quality split screen to help with focusing such as the one from katz-eye. I have only just fitted one in my K20D and should have done so ages ago, it makes a hell of a difference.
Good luck with photographing your child!
Best wishes, Kris.
Kris Lockyear
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head. Henri Cartier-Bresson
Lots of film bodies, a couple of digital ones, too many lenses (mainly older glass) and a Horseman LE 5x4.
Posted 07/05/2010 - 23:51
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womble wrote:
The K200D is a good camera and capable of producing excellent pictures. You won't necessarily do any better with the K-x.
As to editing on the computer, you will have to do some if you want good photographs. You don't have to go overboard with HDR, cloning or whacky effects but digital images need a little tweaking to get the best out of them, e.g., adjusting levels, contrast and sharpening. This is no different to making choices in the darkroom really, such as doing a test strip for exposure, choosing one paper over another or deciding on what grade of paper to use. If you are worried about noise, that can also be dramatically improved by using the tools available, such as the noise reduction in Lightroom 3 beta 2.
If you already have a set of good manual lenses, the best thing you could do is invest in a good quality split screen to help with focusing such as the one from katz-eye. I have only just fitted one in my K20D and should have done so ages ago, it makes a hell of a difference.
Good luck with photographing your child!
Best wishes, Kris.
thanks for that tip kris ,will be checking out,never heard of a split screen,thats how novice i am been using fuji s1500 till now and only know basic functions of that,i,m 44 and finding any learning difficult,taking herbal memory tablets and all sorts,but if i can learn and master a dslr with manual lenses i should be able to crack anything,lol.
The K200D is a good camera and capable of producing excellent pictures. You won't necessarily do any better with the K-x.
As to editing on the computer, you will have to do some if you want good photographs. You don't have to go overboard with HDR, cloning or whacky effects but digital images need a little tweaking to get the best out of them, e.g., adjusting levels, contrast and sharpening. This is no different to making choices in the darkroom really, such as doing a test strip for exposure, choosing one paper over another or deciding on what grade of paper to use. If you are worried about noise, that can also be dramatically improved by using the tools available, such as the noise reduction in Lightroom 3 beta 2.
If you already have a set of good manual lenses, the best thing you could do is invest in a good quality split screen to help with focusing such as the one from katz-eye. I have only just fitted one in my K20D and should have done so ages ago, it makes a hell of a difference.
Good luck with photographing your child!
Best wishes, Kris.
Posted 08/05/2010 - 06:12 - Helpful Comment
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I think Womble provides some sound advise and as he states you should do some processing be it Lightroom, Photoshop or which other software you prefer. I think from my limited knowledge and photographic experience to take good pictures its a bit of using the camera and processing and the more you do of both the better you get which in turn improves your work. Now that I have a K7, I too am saving for manual lenses and rarely take my camera out of manual mode and i think this factor combined with reading and lots of practice, together with some processing will get you to where you are aiming with the images you want . I think your question is also down to how much money you have to spend together with what type of photography you are into. If you have the money and are investing in glass, then I would suggest K20D as it will provide you with plenty of room to improve your photography, if you can stretch your money a bit further I think the K7 is fantastic, but i would I own one. Not wanting to disrespect anyone who owns a KX I just don't think they feel right and there's no WR sealing, which may or may not be important, but the camera is capable of taking good pictures. People will offer guidance, but at the end of the day go to a shop or lots of them and handle the cameras you have in mind, and then you may be able to make the choice which is right for you. Remember, there are also plenty of reviews to read, I found www.1001noisycameras.com provided some balanced reviews and info.
Fletcher8.
Posted 08/05/2010 - 06:14 - Helpful Comment
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I'm actually very disappointed with my K200D, it has all the functions I'll probably ever need and is built like a rock, it's also capable of taking better photos than I can.
I'ts big failing in my eyes is that because it's such a good camera I can't justify buying a K7.
Greg
I'ts big failing in my eyes is that because it's such a good camera I can't justify buying a K7.
Greg
Posted 08/05/2010 - 08:44
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well when you see how much old glass i have brought you will think i am crazy,and i know have the task of selling off all i dont want,which will be about fifty old body's for starters,Out of curiosity ,what good opposition cameras take m42,12-18mp?,been looking round shops here in madrid for any old gear and not any signs of a dealer,whats the situation in uk ,are old camera dealers internet/bootfair based there?cheers to all so far ,nigel.
Posted 08/05/2010 - 09:00
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nigelxk wrote:
i want to take professional looking shots ,like many i have seen on this site ,but not achieved afterwards on a computer,thats cheating i feel.I refused to use a calculator in my maths exam .I still got a grade 1 so think i did right thing,and i still add up big numbers in my head while others stay silent or look for a pen and paper,or use their mobile phone.well technology is here for better or worse,but i have brought the k200 mainly for recording my new baby daughter's first years,brought some highly recomended manual lenses takumar ,ziess to name a few,just want to learn now and to make great pic,s without editing.so please give your views, is the k200 good?and is the kx better.cheers nigel.
The kx and k200, like any camera, are incapable of taking good photographs. Only good photographers can do that. If you are keen to go down the manual route the K10, K20 and K7 might actually suit you better.
i want to take professional looking shots ,like many i have seen on this site ,but not achieved afterwards on a computer,thats cheating i feel.I refused to use a calculator in my maths exam .I still got a grade 1 so think i did right thing,and i still add up big numbers in my head while others stay silent or look for a pen and paper,or use their mobile phone.well technology is here for better or worse,but i have brought the k200 mainly for recording my new baby daughter's first years,brought some highly recomended manual lenses takumar ,ziess to name a few,just want to learn now and to make great pic,s without editing.so please give your views, is the k200 good?and is the kx better.cheers nigel.
Ken
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
“We must avoid however, snapping away, shooting quickly and without thought, overloading ourselves with unnecessary images that clutter our memory and diminish the clarity of the whole.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson -
Posted 08/05/2010 - 09:04
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Glover wrote:
I cant comment on the k20 or k-7 other than i chose a k-x over both because of the newer tech and low light capabilities, i love it and dont regret my decision. another factor in making my choice was i'd of been annoyed if a few months after buying a k-7 they produced a new one with the low light capabilities of the k-x with the higher end spec of the k-7, so when they bring a new one out i'll be looking at my options in a year or so.
Some people also say the AA batteries of the k-x is a problem as apposed to the lithium of the k20 and k-7, i personally prefer the AA's, there cheap for good rechargeables and available anywhere, so if your caught short one day maybe slipped up and forgot your second set of batteries, you can buy them anywhere.
the more i think about it the low light issue may not be a big deal as my creative photography is likely to be done in the day time,and here in spain theres lots of that i,m glad to say.back in england next week to get all my gear.Told the weather is awfull for time of year.
I cant comment on the k20 or k-7 other than i chose a k-x over both because of the newer tech and low light capabilities, i love it and dont regret my decision. another factor in making my choice was i'd of been annoyed if a few months after buying a k-7 they produced a new one with the low light capabilities of the k-x with the higher end spec of the k-7, so when they bring a new one out i'll be looking at my options in a year or so.
Some people also say the AA batteries of the k-x is a problem as apposed to the lithium of the k20 and k-7, i personally prefer the AA's, there cheap for good rechargeables and available anywhere, so if your caught short one day maybe slipped up and forgot your second set of batteries, you can buy them anywhere.
Posted 08/05/2010 - 09:19 - Helpful Comment
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gartmore wrote:
The k-x is perfectly capable of working very well in manual mode.nigelxk wrote:
i want to take professional looking shots ,like many i have seen on this site ,but not achieved afterwards on a computer,thats cheating i feel.I refused to use a calculator in my maths exam .I still got a grade 1 so think i did right thing,and i still add up big numbers in my head while others stay silent or look for a pen and paper,or use their mobile phone.well technology is here for better or worse,but i have brought the k200 mainly for recording my new baby daughter's first years,brought some highly recomended manual lenses takumar ,ziess to name a few,just want to learn now and to make great pic,s without editing.so please give your views, is the k200 good?and is the kx better.cheers nigel.
The kx and k200, like any camera, are incapable of taking good photographs. Only good photographers can do that. If you are keen to go down the manual route the K10, K20 and K7 might actually suit you better.i want to take professional looking shots ,like many i have seen on this site ,but not achieved afterwards on a computer,thats cheating i feel.I refused to use a calculator in my maths exam .I still got a grade 1 so think i did right thing,and i still add up big numbers in my head while others stay silent or look for a pen and paper,or use their mobile phone.well technology is here for better or worse,but i have brought the k200 mainly for recording my new baby daughter's first years,brought some highly recomended manual lenses takumar ,ziess to name a few,just want to learn now and to make great pic,s without editing.so please give your views, is the k200 good?and is the kx better.cheers nigel.
Nigel, the low light capapbilities are just a bonus in my eyes, it does very well in daylight too, have a look at my photostream the recent animal pictures were taken on a bright sunny day with the k-x.
Pentax K-5
DA 18-55mm AL WR DAL 50-200mm Tamron 70-300mm, Auto Chinon 28mm 2.8. sigma 30mm 1.4 DC
Metz 48 af-1
Flickr
DA 18-55mm AL WR DAL 50-200mm Tamron 70-300mm, Auto Chinon 28mm 2.8. sigma 30mm 1.4 DC
Metz 48 af-1
Flickr
Posted 08/05/2010 - 14:19
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I must be the only person with a budget. I had the K10D. When the K7 came out I considered it and bought a K20D. Video and Live View don't interest me and the price difference was significant for me. So far, no regrets.
Since I started with the IstD, I am rather hooked on having two dials for adjustment. I'm sure I could adapt but I'd rather not.
For me, the K20D paired with Lightroom3 beta works well.
Since I started with the IstD, I am rather hooked on having two dials for adjustment. I'm sure I could adapt but I'd rather not.
For me, the K20D paired with Lightroom3 beta works well.
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