What size for raw please?
Posted 10/03/2014 - 20:07
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AuraTodd wrote:
Thanks for your replies. Someone told me that I should be shooting in raw.
The camera will have already done some image processing on those JPEGs to make them look reasonably attractive/exciting/realistic depending on how you have your camera set up. The RAW files won't have the benefit of that and hence will look flat and lifeless until you do your own work to make them look attractive/realistic/exciting or whatever you want.Thanks for your replies. Someone told me that I should be shooting in raw.
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Set the camera to take both RAW and JPEG
How do you do that on a K30?Set the camera to take both RAW and JPEG
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RAW files will look flat and lifeless compared to a jpg from the camera
Why is that? i thought they held more detail? :RAW files will look flat and lifeless compared to a jpg from the camera
Actually even that isn't really true these days. Any decent RAW processing software should have a good stab at producing a decent image from RAWS by default rather than something flat and lifeless. But it probably won't, without your own adjustments, do as good a job of it as the camera does.
And if none of that makes sense - just abandon any thoughts of using RAWs until you have read a bit more and understand why you might, or moght not, want to go that route.
Posted 10/03/2014 - 20:24
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I think the K-30 has a RAW button on the side. Check in the manual and see what this does. You can always (if you remember) press it when you fancy a go or you just want to have insurance that you have captured everything you can about a particular image.
You can sit there with the RAW and the cooked JPEG from the camera and see what a RAW processor can do and how easy it is! (ha)
If you have a copy of PS Elements or other version it has a RAW editor already.
Your camera software probably has a copy of SillyPIX (Pentax branded) I hate it but others here seem to like it.
You can sit there with the RAW and the cooked JPEG from the camera and see what a RAW processor can do and how easy it is! (ha)
If you have a copy of PS Elements or other version it has a RAW editor already.
Your camera software probably has a copy of SillyPIX (Pentax branded) I hate it but others here seem to like it.
Lurking is shirking.!
Posted 10/03/2014 - 20:43
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AuraTodd wrote:
Thanks for your replies. Someone told me that I should be shooting in raw.
Yes RAWS do hold much more detail but they haven't had any editing done by the camera to brighten them. RAW images viewed on the camera screen often look fairly good. On a computer however you will see the RAW image the camera recorded with no white balance contrast or colour compensation. Its up to you to edit them to reflect the colours the impact and the sharpness you remember or required. In camera JPEGs usually do this fairly well but can make them too vivid or too dull or even too sharp, usually but not always and with patience you can do a much better job.Thanks for your replies. Someone told me that I should be shooting in raw.
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Set the camera to take both RAW and JPEG
How do you do that on a K30?Set the camera to take both RAW and JPEG
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RAW files will look flat and lifeless compared to a jpg from the camera
Why is that? i thought they held more detail? :RAW files will look flat and lifeless compared to a jpg from the camera
How to select RAW+
Follow instructions on page 140 of your manual
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The quickest way is to switch the camera on, press the info button and you should have a menu with various picture capture settings and options. (see your manual page 26.) Don't worry if some of this screens options are not adjustable that's because certain settings cannot be changed in certain shooting modes.
Then use the 4 way controller to highlight the JPEG box probably LH corner of this menu then use the rear wheel to scroll between RAW, JPEG or RAW+
Posted 10/03/2014 - 21:01
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Your camera software probably has a copy of SillyPIX (Pentax branded) I hate it but others here seem to like it.[/quote]Never got Silkypix to work for me either, its far to complicated and there's very little help that helped me.
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dougf8 has come up with a version of the software name which may or may not be misspelt but its a much name than the original.
I hope we aren't confusing you too much. If you have time and patience give RAWS a try but if you happy with your JPEG results then that's all that matters.
All the best David
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dougf8 has come up with a version of the software name which may or may not be misspelt but its a much name than the original.
I hope we aren't confusing you too much. If you have time and patience give RAWS a try but if you happy with your JPEG results then that's all that matters.
All the best David
Posted 10/03/2014 - 21:21
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gwing wrote:
It's funny how we think of these things isn't it. I always consider that shooting jpeg gives me complications I just don't have in RAW but each to their own.
I will agree there a steepish learning curve when you start with RAW, particularly if you don't come from a computer background and haven't read up on digital processing in advance.
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It's also in the instruction manual.
The first question I would ask though is why have you decided to shoot RAW? It will create a new set of problems for you, so I think the test would be to ask would it improve your photography in some way?
If so, go for it, if not then think carefully why you're doing it.
It's also in the instruction manual.
The first question I would ask though is why have you decided to shoot RAW? It will create a new set of problems for you, so I think the test would be to ask would it improve your photography in some way?
If so, go for it, if not then think carefully why you're doing it.
It's funny how we think of these things isn't it. I always consider that shooting jpeg gives me complications I just don't have in RAW but each to their own.
I will agree there a steepish learning curve when you start with RAW, particularly if you don't come from a computer background and haven't read up on digital processing in advance.
I shoot in both RAW and JPG depending on the shoo and what I'm shooting with.
Personally I do see any more complications from either format.
Also I certainly never found a steep learning curve with RAW. The editing software decides the RAW File and presents it on the screen to be edited. Just like the sofware decodes the JPG file and presents it on the screen to be edited.
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Posted 10/03/2014 - 21:29
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Steep wrote:
RAW isn't an image, it's the 'raw' data that the camera records and usually converts into a jpg for you. There are many programs that can do the conversion for you so don't worry about that.
What do you mean "RAW isn't an image" ?RAW isn't an image, it's the 'raw' data that the camera records and usually converts into a jpg for you. There are many programs that can do the conversion for you so don't worry about that.
A RAW file is an image file just like JPGs and TIFFs are. All image files need some software to decode them for viewing and/or editing and to encode them again for saving.
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Posted 10/03/2014 - 21:42
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No it's not. RAW is the unprocessed data that an image is made from, the software you choose to use takes that data and adapts it as you tell it to, then you choose to 'save as' the image type that you want to use.
Posted 10/03/2014 - 22:00
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I think we're straying from the point. The question was in the context of the OP's requirements.
We need to think of what will suit the OP rather than get into yet another RAW vs JPEG discussion.
We need to think of what will suit the OP rather than get into yet another RAW vs JPEG discussion.
Best regards, John
Posted 10/03/2014 - 22:15
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gartmore wrote:
Having looked at the images you post I can see no reason at all to shoot in RAW. As a professional of some almost 40 years standing, I don't. Don't complicate your life for no reason at all.
At the end of the day it's going to end up as a jpeg
I think I agree with gartmore's answer to this post.
Having looked at the images you post I can see no reason at all to shoot in RAW. As a professional of some almost 40 years standing, I don't. Don't complicate your life for no reason at all.
At the end of the day it's going to end up as a jpeg
Posted 10/03/2014 - 23:14
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Steep wrote:
No it's not. RAW is the unprocessed data that an image is made from, the software you choose to use takes that data and adapts it as you tell it to, then you choose to 'save as' the image type that you want to use.
A RAW file is still an image file. i.e a series of binary numbers that denote an image, just the same as TIFF and Jpg files are. The data is just in a format that's usually closer in the signal chain to the sensor the sensor. All image files require decoding/encoding before important or exporting.No it's not. RAW is the unprocessed data that an image is made from, the software you choose to use takes that data and adapts it as you tell it to, then you choose to 'save as' the image type that you want to use.
Anyway pointless arguing to and fro over this.... back to the OPs discussion.
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Posted 10/03/2014 - 23:35
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Smeggypants wrote:
Anyway pointless arguing to and fro over this.... back to the OPs discussion.
I have the last word...Anyway pointless arguing to and fro over this.... back to the OPs discussion.
Re Gartmores suggestion, perhaps shoot RAW+jpg for a while and see how you get on, if you're finding RAW too much hassle or not getting the results you want then at least you know and have not lost anything.
Posted 11/03/2014 - 09:32
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What is the digital process please?
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Posted 11/03/2014 - 09:48
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After I have set my K10D as I described above MY 'RAW' comes out exactly like the JPegs -- not 'Flat and Lifeless' -- maybe they would IF all the settings were turned down to Zero ?
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Posted 11/03/2014 - 10:07
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Your RAW program (sorry, I haven't read all the thread) will have some default settings. It will apply these at the time of import. You can make these defaults whatever you like, or just start from there to apply whatever you like.
To cut a long story short, I use RAW. When I did take some jpg only shots it disturbed me how much less I could do with them. But some people prefer to have the camera apply the settings, but, to me, that would imply that they change the camera's settings depending on the type of shot or result they require, or that they don't feel they need to. With RAW, you do more of that in post processing. I enjoy that part of the post processing, so it's not a chore, or extra work, for me, as it appears to be for people.
By the way, I don't want to kick off the RAW vs jpg argument again.
To cut a long story short, I use RAW. When I did take some jpg only shots it disturbed me how much less I could do with them. But some people prefer to have the camera apply the settings, but, to me, that would imply that they change the camera's settings depending on the type of shot or result they require, or that they don't feel they need to. With RAW, you do more of that in post processing. I enjoy that part of the post processing, so it's not a chore, or extra work, for me, as it appears to be for people.
By the way, I don't want to kick off the RAW vs jpg argument again.
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