wedding photography.

vic cross
Posted 11/10/2009 - 11:53 Link
After many years of semi pro/am wedding photography I met the bride and brides mother from hell. We ended up in crown court for 3 days which cost them approx £9000.00 and I walked out of court the judges little blue eyed boy. I then gave up wedding photography. However I have just been called out of retirement to do a friends wedding. I hope my memory serves me well. It will be my first (and last) digital wedding. As to lenses I used to use a Pentax 645 with one lens fitted. The 75mm which in 35mm size is 50mm then used my legs instead of a zoom. Just make sure you have all equipment backed up with a lens in the region of 20mm/70mm. CHEERS Vic.
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Edited by vic cross: 11/10/2009 - 11:53
George Lazarette
Posted 11/10/2009 - 12:57 Link
vic cross wrote:
After many years of semi pro/am wedding photography I met the bride and brides mother from hell.
At least you'll never see them again. My sympathy lies with the groom!

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shanegeach
Posted 12/10/2009 - 08:29 Link
good luck with it then vic, and thanks for the advice, i'm still going ahead with it, even though all im gonna get 1 thing out of it and thats just a portfolio, I've gotta shell out the printing fees and the dvd's . At least the couple want me to succeed in wedding photography, and are willing enough and patient enough to let me do it for them.

I'm happy im doing it. when all of it is done and over with in july after they get back from honeymoon, i'll post some on here for everyone to see...
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jon.dc
Posted 12/10/2009 - 11:02 Link
Shanegeach - See if you can do a day as a second shooter at a wedding that way you can see what its like without the stress.
nathanever82
Posted 12/10/2009 - 11:28 - Helpful Comment Link
I can't actually believe that other members are giving all kinds of advice here.

Its not a matter of undermining somebody's skills, artistic eye, or technical ability. It is simply un-reasonable to suggest the OP to shoot the wedding in my opinion.

Weddings are a huge deal, and unless the OP is ready to put all his energies into professional photography from now, he will not have even 2% of the experience needed to 'guarantee' a successful shoot.

Professional photographers go through years of studying, and training, and shooting weddings with professional equipment and even just supporting as a second, or third photographer. UNless the OP is serious about learning most of the necessary skills by practicing (which by his last post he isn't cause he 'just want to get done with it'), and traning, he has a very good recipe for disaster.
(Which doesn't mean that he might not produce some good photos btw)

I have tried to find assistant jobs in the past 3 years, and its incredibly hard to find even unpaid jobs where you only pull the crowds together for the formals.

Its not a matter of 'everybody has to start somewhere' its a matter of taking responsability.

- Are you fully capable of dealing with all sorts of lighting situations?
- Are you able to expose properly on EVERY SHOT THAT COUNTS - before- during- after the function, and on all the formal shots?
- do you have the appropriate equipment, fast zooms, flashes, backup cameras and lenses, extra batteries.
- Are you completely confident with all your equipment so that you don't have to think about what settings to use, but can concentrate on following the events of the wedding and take the necessary shots. (you don't get second chances on the ring exchange...)
- Are you completely confident you can organise the formal photograph with all the family, and get people to stand the the right place, light, position, and take a well-lit group shot?
- Are you confident in your artistic abilities in order to shoot portraits of the bride and groom that are interesting, if not at least technically acceptable?
- Are you confident that you can take many hours of sweating and running around to catch every important moment?

I could go on for a much much longer list.

And I am really not trying to put you down, its just that unless you have a lot of experience that you haven't mentionned, this task is REALLY very much above your head. To give you a comparison that IMO is sensible: A young driver had his licence for 1-2 years, and has to compete in a touring car championship race. Get what I mean?

PLease don't take professional photography lightly, it really hurts all the hard working pros out there, mainly in the eyes of the couple and their family and friends.

Regards,
Nathan


p.s. You are free to not consider all i've said here above, but remember that helpful advice is not always what you want to hear.
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ChrisA
Posted 12/10/2009 - 12:38 Link
nathanever82 wrote:
It is simply un-reasonable to suggest the OP to shoot the wedding in my opinion.
It really depends what the alternatives are. If the friends can't afford a pro, and are willing to take a chance on the OP, it may be the best option available.

I did a couple in my film days, and although enormously stressful and the results were not at all in the pro league, they weren't disasters by any means.

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Weddings are a huge deal
Of course. But providing that asking here for hints and tips is only a very minor part of the preparation the OP's doing, it's not impossible that it could work out Ok. Provided also that he is very, very clear with the friends about what his limitations and their expectations are.

At least he's got a bit of time to work on answers to Nathan's list of questions. Having a "rough idea of what to do", coupled with a mishmash of tips from here will definitely not cut it.
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mikew
Posted 12/10/2009 - 13:32 Link
I think that Nathan has offered a very good if forcefully stated summary of the situation. I think Chris's comments put them into a very good context.

But technical competence has to be a given - as Nathan said can you be certain that every important shot will be technically correct? I'm not questioning the OP's competence just agreeing with Nathan that this is a very important first step and a scary one too.

One thing that would totally daunt me is the people management getting the right people in the right place at the right time and avoiding 'unfortunate' backgrounds. The pro had my nephew's group photos with fields, stables and an old oil drum as the background. Took me hours to clone them out on my shots. Maybe he's better than me. His answer to this was that 'he specialised in informal shots' yeah right although he did take a lot of these.

There's just so much to think about. Scary!

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nathanever82
Posted 12/10/2009 - 13:34 - Helpful Comment Link
Chris, I completely agree, and that's why i've also said
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'Which doesn't mean that he might not produce some good photos btw'
What worries me is the taking things so lightly, both from the OP, and the answers given by other members.

If one takes a few hours to read the DPreview pro- forum, he'll quickly find that the pedantism of most professionals is not only arrogant we-are-the-only-ones-that-can-do-it, but rather, a fair representation of the reality of being a professional photographer.


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It really depends what the alternatives are. If the friends can't afford a pro, and are willing to take a chance on the OP, it may be the best option available.
I perfectly understand this. I got married 3 months ago, and I was paying for my own photographer as well. And i'm definitely not rich or by no means wealthy. I decided to do a lot of research, and found a guy who's been a professional for many years but not very practical with digital photography. I decided to do a deal and ended up doing part of the post production myself in exchange for a very reasonable price for the shooting. I understand that this bride and groom would probably not be able to do this, but doing research into young pro-photographers that charge a fraction of the big ones, but still have a whole lot more experience than our OP, will probably be a better choice.
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Edited by nathanever82: 12/10/2009 - 13:35
ChrisA
Posted 12/10/2009 - 13:55 Link
nathanever82 wrote:
I understand that this bride and groom would probably not be able to do this, but doing research into young pro-photographers that charge a fraction of the big ones, but still have a whole lot more experience than our OP, will probably be a better choice.
Agreed.

I'm a lot more experienced now, so I'm probably more qualified to take on an amateur wedding shoot, than I was when I did a couple for real. Yet I'd be a lot more reluctant to take one on now.

Returning to the OP, I know very well that it's not all about gear.

But a single 6 MP dSLR, a couple of consumer zooms (with nothing wider than 28mm) and a bridge camera is really not going to be adequate.
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gartmore
Posted 12/10/2009 - 14:18 Link
I would just like to say I am in accord with Nathan on this and would like to add that when I got my first job as a photographer I was only allowed to take pictures of guests arriving for the first six months. These were incredibly important commercially for sales at the reception and we got commission on those! Then another three months or so as second photographer before being let loose on my own. Over those nine months I'd probably worked on at least four weddings
and a funeral a week (yes, we did a couple of funerals too).

This isn't just about photographic skills, its about being charming and in total command of a bunch of highly stressed people. Wedding parties dont realise how much goes on between all the pros: drivers, photographer, minister, maitre d. How many times have I heard 'Can you be as quick as you can, the food is getting cold, we thought they'd be here an hour ago' or similar.

As far as technique is concerned you need to be able to use everything as if your were blindfolded and you really do need to storyboard your entire shoot and tick the shots off as you go.

Do you know the quickest route from church to reception, you'd better! I leave my studio kit at the reception venue earlier in the day if I can and you should recce both venues at the time of day the event is taking place.

Planning is essential, work out a micro-location for each shot in advance. Do you have wet weather cover?

Never, never, ever move the cake. If you need it moved get the hotel staff to do it for you.

If you're still going ahead, good luck.
Ken
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mikew
Posted 12/10/2009 - 14:51 Link
I find it fascinating to hear this advice from the pros.

Do we sense that Ken may have had a cake moment?
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Anvh
Posted 12/10/2009 - 15:22 Link
gartmore wrote:
Never, never, ever move the cake. If you need it moved get the hotel staff to do it for you.
I've the bad feeling you tried that once...
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gartmore
Posted 12/10/2009 - 16:51 Link
Not guilty, gentlemen; but I know someone who did.
Ken
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mikew
Posted 12/10/2009 - 16:56 Link
And I was hoping for a good long shaggy dog story involving cake related disasters. Bother.

Can you get insurance cover against accidents like that?
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jackitec
Posted 12/10/2009 - 17:32 Link
Mike I'll give you a couple of shaggy dog stories, during my wedding days one wedding I done I put a soft focus filter on my Mamiya C330 to take a shot of the bride, and because of the twin lens I forgot to take it off

However when the couple got their photos they were absolutely delighted with them as they were all soft and a bit dreamy and they had never seen wedding photos like these so I kept my reputation.

Second story, I had to ask the brides driver to go round the block 4 times as the groom couldn't stand up, someone slipped him a mickey in the pub and the vicker was trying to sober him up, to cut a long story short I think I managed to get him in 2 photos and he didn't remember getting married,

I have lots more but maybe I'll write a book

Jack.
Edited by jackitec: 12/10/2009 - 17:32

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