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K10D
Posted 14/10/2009 - 07:44 Link
Just seen the first images of a second generation image stablised lens.

link

Regardless of make, I think we would all agree that the results are to be applauded. It also comes at a price and we may argue that IS is not needed if a tripod is used. How easy to set up a tripod if you are out and about on the move?

Tripods are not allowed on the spectator platform on the Empire State building. This technology is a welcome solution.

Let us hope that it becomes contagious?

Regards
Too far from a shore.
johnriley
Posted 14/10/2009 - 08:17 Link
I'm not sure what conclusions we are supposed to draw from that as we already have the shake reduction technology, with any lens. No doubt that it will continuously be improved as time goes by, but it's already more than up to removing the need for a tripod in many situations.

In lens shake reduction adds expense to every lens and also complication, so presumably there will be a higher incidence of lens failures.

The images in the article are very dramatic, if a bit over-sharpened for my taste.
Best regards, John
K10D
Posted 14/10/2009 - 08:52 Link
I hope that the shake reduction is improved John. I believe that in-camera SR is the way forward, but at this moment in time, I could not replicate those speeds. It's not that often I would need to.

I am intending to do a comparison this week with my K7 and 70-200 EX. SR ON vs SR OFF, just to see what results I can achieve.

No conclusions to be drawn. The goal posts will always shift as technology allows. I inteneded the post to draw attention to what is a genuine move forward rather than the usual "sales" tool gimmicks.

Regards
Too far from a shore.
johnriley
Posted 14/10/2009 - 08:57 Link
I can tell you that with 300mm, there is no comparison between SR on and off. It makes the difference between sharp and not sharp, even at quite high shutter speeds.

I don't know about anyone else, but by 200mm and beyond my steadiness is about as good as a leaf being blown about in the wind. SR plus supporting the camer on something usually saves the day.

The other day I was resting the K20D on some handy lobster pots. It worked.
Best regards, John
K10D
Posted 14/10/2009 - 09:28 Link
My longest non reflex glass is my 50-500 and taht is always on a monopod.

Not always on the ground as fully retracted, it sits just above a leather belt I wear so sort of becomes a waist level support. That lens is also used on an SR body, in this case, the original, my KM 7D.

Most of my 200mm shots are hand held. For longer shoots, such as golf comps, I attach the large size Pod camera support to the tripod mount of the lens and it acts as a damper or if I use tree branches etc, it acts as a "bean bag".

Regards
Too far from a shore.
K10D
Posted 14/10/2009 - 11:29 Link
taht??? OK, that

Duhhhhh

Regards
Too far from a shore.
womble
Posted 14/10/2009 - 12:18 Link
johnriley wrote:
I don't know about anyone else, but by 200mm and beyond my steadiness is about as good as a leaf being blown about in the wind...
I know that feeling...!
Kris Lockyear
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Anvh
Posted 14/10/2009 - 14:34 Link
It sounds weird maybe but I some times have the monopod attach but not extended so it provides some weight under the camera and that helps to stabilize it.
Found that out when doing some panning on the race tack.
Stefan
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George Lazarette
Posted 14/10/2009 - 15:28 Link
johnriley wrote:

The other day I was resting the K20D on some handy lobster pots...
...while you reached inside to grab a lobster?

Are we going to see some pictures of your trip?

G
Keywords: Charming, polite, and generally agreeable.
Mongoose
Posted 14/10/2009 - 16:25 Link
K10D wrote:
I could not replicate those speeds. It's not that often I would need to.
without meaning to sound like I'm bragging, I could. Actually I'm pretty sure I've "beaten" those speeds with my K10D and 50-200.

Its all down to technique. If he's a novice or has shakey hands then those speeds are impressive, and if he can take 10 frames and have every one critically sharp then they are very impressive.

On the other hand if that's the best shot from 5 and he's an experienced photographer with steady hands then the "new" system is no better than the SR on the K10D.

no doubting its a nice lens though.
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but it does help
Father Ted
Posted 14/10/2009 - 16:25 Link
Anvh wrote:
It sounds weird maybe but I some times have the monopod attach but not extended so it provides some weight under the camera and that helps to stabilize it.
Found that out when doing some panning on the race tack.
What a brilliant idea!!
I have some stabiliser bars on my bow, I wonder if the thread is the same??

Something like this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stabiliser-short-rod-Cartel-Pro-carbon-10-with-damper_W0QQ...
Getting there! Thanks to you guys

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Anvh
Posted 14/10/2009 - 16:39 - Helpful Comment Link
Yeah it's the same Idea Father Ted, try out and see if it works I would say

The extra weight will put the centre of gravity under the point you're holding the camera so it automatic stabilize itself.

I've seen on TV someone that was shooting photos out of his aerolight and he used a gyro that fitted under the camera. here you go link
Stefan
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K10D
Posted 14/10/2009 - 17:08 Link
Anvh wrote:
Yeah it's the same Idea Father Ted, try out and see if it works I would say

The extra weight will put the centre of gravity under the point you're holding the camera so it automatic stabilize itself.

I've seen on TV someone that was shooting photos out of his aerolight and he used a gyro that fitted under the camera. here you go link
So logical! I used to use similar gyros on my R/C helicopters before moving over to Piezo gyros. Now I now what my next project is going to be. Design starts tomorrow.

Cheers Stefan!!
Too far from a shore.
Anvh
Posted 14/10/2009 - 17:16 Link
Your welcome Gary, would be interested what your results would be.
One thing though, are those gyros on your R/C Heli used on his own to stabilize it or was their output submitted to the rotors?
I believe it's the later one you see so the Gyros wouldn't have enough mass/energy to keep your camera stabilize, although I can just as easily be wrong though.
Stefan
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Don
Posted 14/10/2009 - 17:30 Link
K10D wrote:
Anvh wrote:
Yeah it's the same Idea Father Ted, try out and see if it works I would say

The extra weight will put the centre of gravity under the point you're holding the camera so it automatic stabilize itself.

I've seen on TV someone that was shooting photos out of his aerolight and he used a gyro that fitted under the camera. here you go link
So logical! I used to use similar gyros on my R/C helicopters before moving over to Piezo gyros. Now I now what my next project is going to be. Design starts tomorrow.

Cheers Stefan!!
go cheap...
older heavier hard drives spin balanced metal discs at 7200 rpms and all you need is to mount two on an L bracket and power 'em up... 12 volts i believe, or was it five? ah go with twelve, if it gets hot, my bad...
should get you goin with some nice gyro stabilizer effects...
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.

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