Tim?

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Pentaxophile
Posted 15/09/2011 - 19:08 Link
On the one hand I want to applaud JR for the Herculean efforts he goes to in moderating the forum virtually single handed. We don't make it easy sometimes, with childish behaviour, myself included. Not that I'm leveling that criticism at Tim because it seems his initial offending post was entirely innocuous. However maybe sharing the burden a little more, with additional moderators, and a less unilateral approach, might be fairer for everyone. And I would urge John to relax and let things lie a bit more, perhaps wait for problems to be reported rather than monitoring things 24/7. Zapping leads to deals threads and excessive thread tidying can cause more problems than it solves IMHO.
japers45
Posted 15/09/2011 - 19:29 Link
Blimey Charlie,

This has all got a bit serious hasnt it. Seems to me that it has "kicked off" behind the scenes and due to understandable confidentiality we don't get to find out exactly what happened.

If JR were to tell us it would only be one side of the story anyway so whats the point? (may I add that I am not implying JR would fib- just give it as he saw it from his own point of view).

Whilst I dont really know Tim I think he is a member that certainly adds to the community here and he takes some lovely shots and makes some valuable contributions. The only comp i judged was won by him.

I think criticism of JR is inevitable- he is akin to a football referee- doing a job with little reward but being open to large wads of criticism from allcomers. The best referees acknowledge that they dont always get things right though.

come on guys this aint Palestine- put the pride away and find some compromise.
dougf8
Posted 15/09/2011 - 19:39 Link
thoramay wrote:
John. You have been both angel and devil to me. I would always support authority providing it is transparent

Banning and warning members via PP is not transparent. In my case only three people were aware of my warning and the reasons for this. There is no right of reply or the ability of fellow members to express concern to you regarding your decision. Claiming confidentiality just does not wear.

None of us, knowing you, are doubting your word that there are issues here that you cannot discuss. That does not diminish our concern and support for Tim.

Tim has, sensibly, highlighted his concern. Surely the almost unanmimous support for Tim must be of some concern to you.

Mediation is an obvious path. I am sure there is a member that you can trust to share the reasons for your decision and, hopefully reasure us.

Continuous justification will only eat at our regard for you. Please settle your differences.
Speaking as the recipient of one of your "special" PMs, may I suggest trying to nail yourself to Tim's cross would be a tad disingenuous.
Lurking is shirking.!
thoramay
Posted 15/09/2011 - 19:56 Link
Doug. Maybe I ought to warn you that going off topic is not helpful.

Do not get personal.
dougf8
Posted 15/09/2011 - 20:03 Link
thoramay wrote:
Doug. Maybe I ought to warn you that going off topic is not helpful.

Do not get personal.
True colours shine through ...
Lurking is shirking.!
japers45
Posted 15/09/2011 - 20:09 Link
Suddenly the thread is about two different members having a ruck.

ban them both for being very boring indeed Y A W N
fritzthedog
Posted 15/09/2011 - 20:16 Link
dougf8 wrote:
thoramay wrote:
Doug. Maybe I ought to warn you that going off topic is not helpful.

Do not get personal.
True colours shine through ...
If ever a moderator were needed.......................

Guys this is getting way out of hand - isn't it about time common sense prevailed?

What started out as genuine concerns being expressed is fast degenrating in to a free for all and helping nobody!
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davex
Posted 15/09/2011 - 20:17 Link
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ban them both for being very boring indeed Y A W N
JW has gone very quiet, maybe we need to wait awhile before any more bans
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japers45
Posted 15/09/2011 - 20:42 Link
I am beginning to feel a little disillusioned about the forum.

Then I checked myself and realised that this is just a piffling little chat hole and life is too short.
Dodge69
Posted 15/09/2011 - 20:50 Link
Wow, this reminds me of the Scottish press reaction following most Scottish International games (OTT, little regard to the hard facts and it was the refs fault)

japers45 wrote:
I am beginning to feel a little disillusioned about
scottish football.
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davex
Posted 15/09/2011 - 20:51 Link
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I am beginning to feel a little disillusioned about the forum.
Have learnt a lot here, not just about Pentax gear, but also photography techniques in general.
These spats seem to rear up every 6 months or so,life goes on and they tend to get forgotten.

Davex.
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japers45
Posted 15/09/2011 - 20:55 Link
Dodge69 wrote:
Wow, this reminds me of the Scottish press reaction following most Scottish International games (OTT, little regard to the hard facts and it was the refs fault)

japers45 wrote:
I am beginning to feel a little disillusioned about
scottish football.
Great Post

Good night and God Bless!
Anvh
Posted 15/09/2011 - 21:35 Link
I'm gone for a day and see what happens...
First i thought that Tim and i did something again but no idea what this is now about...

Although Tim and I had some disagreements he did was patient most of the time, even with me.
So I'm also curious what happen...
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Gwyn
Posted 15/09/2011 - 21:46 Link
cardiff_gareth wrote:

On a ceru serious note, who exactly is on the moderation team as JR seems to be the only person doing it and I'm sure there are others but to be a moderator you have to be forum active and I'm wondering if new moderators are needed who can dedicate time to policing the forum and to ease the burden of moderation so that judgements are not effected and correct moderation is given??
Ken (Gartmore) is also a Mod I believe - at least his status is Pentax User Team.

I think it would be a good idea if the mods were listed somewhere - on the Community pages maybe? I just had a quick look at can't see them listed anywhere. Forgive me if I have that wrong.

Other forums of this size have several moderators - often a couple of them moderate a few sections and it is indicated in that section who the mods are.

It might be good if the others were a bit more hands on, so that JR doesn't get the brunt of the complaints and moaning thrown at him always.
Anvh
Posted 15/09/2011 - 21:55 Link
Mattmatic is a mod as well i believe, not sure how active he is.
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