Sunlit ponies in the New Forest
Posted 21/11/2013 - 17:32
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I like - they are totally relaxed and not concerned at your presence .
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Posted 21/11/2013 - 18:13
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I think it is a very nice image, good balance between the sky and the foreground and some nice starbursts from the setting sun. The ponies most definitely add to the scene.
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David
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Posted 21/11/2013 - 18:32
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Nice shot! and well exposed. Don't forget that this months competition is "Trees" Worth adding it there.
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Posted 21/11/2013 - 19:07
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Thanks for the heads-up, Dave !
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Nigel
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Posted 21/11/2013 - 19:29
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Nicely tranquil scene, though the problem with including the sun in a picture is that it does then dominate it.
Posted 21/11/2013 - 19:39
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I agree its an atmospheric shot, nicely caught. I'm not convinced about the exposure balance though. I think the ground and trees need bit of 'fill light' or shadow lift to appear more as the eye would perceive.
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Posted 21/11/2013 - 21:41
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I'm putting up a shot of my own here - absolutely not wanting to distract from Stridey's (the other Nigel ) beautiful New Forest scene, which has the clear advantage of the well placed ponies. But there are striking similarities in many of the elements I see, and I feel it raises a very debatable point about backlit exposures such as these.
No doubt there will be much varied opinion, but I contend that Stridey's shot (we're going to have to leave out the 'Nigels' here :wink represents more a camera meter's interpretation of the exposure balance, whereas mine represents more the effect of the eye's automatic adjustment and 'compensation' for the widely differing dynamic range.
When I suggested Stridey should rebalance the shadows exposure it was with this effect and realism as the aim. This sort of decision must concern many many types of shots, so I wonder if you all agree with me??
Near Coulsdon Common, southern border of Croydon & Surrey. K7 & Samyang 14mm at f.11

No doubt there will be much varied opinion, but I contend that Stridey's shot (we're going to have to leave out the 'Nigels' here :wink represents more a camera meter's interpretation of the exposure balance, whereas mine represents more the effect of the eye's automatic adjustment and 'compensation' for the widely differing dynamic range.
When I suggested Stridey should rebalance the shadows exposure it was with this effect and realism as the aim. This sort of decision must concern many many types of shots, so I wonder if you all agree with me??
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Posted 22/11/2013 - 17:27
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No of course, its not 'unnatural' in a negative sense - no one can say there's any 'right' or wrong about this. But what I do wonder is whether we have become accustomed to the quirks (and failings ) of camera metering, to the extent that the camera's interpretation has become of itself a kind of 'natural', when it is in fact not.
In our examples here it appears to me that the lighting levels on the ground in Strideys image would be as you would see in reality after the sun had dropped below the horizon, and its rays were no longer directly illuminating the ground.
The human eye sees in a kind of HDR manner, and in order to recreate that 'naturalness' in my image I had to compensate technically and blend exposures.
But I'm only interested in discussing these ideas generally and getting views, its not to detract from Strideys very effective image - that was just the springboard!
In our examples here it appears to me that the lighting levels on the ground in Strideys image would be as you would see in reality after the sun had dropped below the horizon, and its rays were no longer directly illuminating the ground.
The human eye sees in a kind of HDR manner, and in order to recreate that 'naturalness' in my image I had to compensate technically and blend exposures.
But I'm only interested in discussing these ideas generally and getting views, its not to detract from Strideys very effective image - that was just the springboard!
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Posted 22/11/2013 - 18:47
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I have to say that I like the lighting / colours better in the original poster's shot than the example posted by Nigel above. To me, Nigel's doesn't look natural, whereas the first one does! Just my personal opinion of course, others will differ!
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David
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David
Posted 22/11/2013 - 21:32
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I wouldn't bet on it But I am glad to get people thinking about it
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Posted 23/11/2013 - 01:35
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Posted 23/11/2013 - 09:06
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Yes, that's more 'as the eye would see it' I think, plus it is starting to reveal the more intricate autumn colours which were shrouded in silhouette. Of course, this 'silhouette' is a perfectly acceptable 'photographic' effect, and the halo's don't need to be lost (as Will was concerned about earlier) - you could boost the halo highlights by isolating the sky by selection first.
I agree the JPEG here is not going to help quality-wise, but we get the idea.
I agree the JPEG here is not going to help quality-wise, but we get the idea.
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Posted 23/11/2013 - 09:33
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I have been following this dialogue with interest and I have to say that on reflection (sorry - dreadful pun !!!) Mr B's interpretation has more punch to it and is a more accurate likeness of what I was actually seeing when I took the shot.
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Nigel
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I'd set up the camera and tripod ready for sundown when these two horses wandered into the frame. Fortunately they decided to hang around for a while and gave me a bit of foreground interest to the shot.
I tried another shot at F22 (thinking the 'starburst' may be better) but there was far too much lens flare.
K5, 17-70 lens, 1/30sec, f9, ISO 100, tripod. Processed in LR5.
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