Second camera needed (Help required)

i think you will not like the d80 as its more difficult to use being menu driven a friend bought one and within a week took it back in favour of an ist dl2 and was blown away, he then sold all his nikon gear and converted to pentax.the k10d is a much better camera more like the ist d in quality and in many circles better than the nikon d 200 in build and picture quality and remember pentax are soon to launch ultra sonic lenses which will solve the noise problem you have dont believe the canikon hype your in a good system and getting better all the time

Well the Pentax 18-50 certainly is your imagination.

What are you talking about, "mechanical focusing rings"?

Are you talking about AF or MF?

Is it AF noise (ie, from the MOTOR and the drive train) you're worried about, or the click as the mirror flaps up and down? Because you can't fix the latter.

Not my point exactly. Just that I really think you would be putting yourself in a difficult position if you were to try to fund gear for two brands of cameras.
If for some reason Pentax did not make a kit that you can live with, my suggestion would be sell off what you have and stick with a single brand.

Anyway, not sure what you mean by the sounds of the focus rings with the 18-55. I think as the slapping noise when the lens reaches its limits is a bit outrageous. I haven't tried many other camera brands (and when I do, it is in a large warehouse store -- hardly a place to compare noise), but it does seem more noisy than lets say my Pentax 50mm or Sigma 18-200.

petekd, I can see you don't see eye-to-eye with a few of the other characters here but, George Lazarette has a point, which he put fairly politely and thoughtfully, it seemed to me. Your reply was somewhat immature and - like your original question - full of spelling mistakes and bad grammar.

This doesn't really help your case. If you don't want people to think you're a ranting nutter, you need to adopt a more sophisticated demeanor.

Furthermore, you don't go along to a Tory Party conference and start asking everyone what they think of various Labour policies if you want balance.

Chris Im typing really quick so excuse the mistakes (dont start sounding like George its not your style mate)

Anyway the slapping of the shutter mirror is one issue but I can live with it. Im talking about the whirring noise coming from the lens when focusing. The tamron 18-250mm seems a lot quieter.

I can manuel focus but defeats the point then again not all shots are taken in church

Pete

To be quite honest with you Pete - having seen the pictures you posted from your first wedding shoot I'd have thought that your primary concern shouldn't really be with the noise your current equipment makes but instead working at your technique using your existing equipment.

Having only ever shot one wedding I've only got limited experience however for that I used mainly fast primes and I'm sure I'd have found a lens as slow and limiting as the Nikon 18-200 you mention to be a problem. Having faster lenses isn't just useful for making better use of available light it also gives you the ability to throw backgrounds well out of focus which can be very useful in crowded venues.

Well I think you're nuts.

AF noise, and indeed mirror-slap, are only an issue in very quiet places.

AF noise is easily dealt with, with a bit of technique, and mirror-slap isn't fixable, and can be extremely irritating.

So quieter focusing won't solve your problem.

Was it Barcelona you were planning to move to? It would explain a lot...

Mmm I got banned from AP forums for a week for less

I'm glad we have the people we have on this forum, sometimes it's like treading on broken glass on AP....

You are very welcome to have it back if you promise to behave sensibly.

G

How many have you got, George?

I haven't had my K10D for a week yet but here's my 2 cents (therefore shouldn't be too bias; until last week I was a Nikon user afterall ^.^)

As I said yesterday, after downloading the firmware, the DA*50-135 is almost silent so if you are really concerned with the noise go with this lens. I know it doesn't have a large range zoom but the images it takes are quite beautiful. It's also a rather quick lens so I think it'll give you nice interior shots. I was impressed by it's result in very low-light conditions. Here is the link to my gallery:
http://homepage.mac.com/cherrylicious/K10D-DAstar50-135/

Personally, I wouldn't be able to use 2 different systems at the same time. I've only shot one wedding and it's pretty stressful as it is, I wouldn't want to be thinking about which button goes where (but that may be because I'm somewhat absentminded).

Please don't take what's following the wrong because I'm not trying to be impudent. Could it be that your camera's noise seemed louder because you are closer to your camera than your friend's? Also, we often get self-conscious of what we do.

Besides, as someone else has said, it's more the photographer moving around and the flash that distracts a wedding rather than the clicks. What I hate about weddings now that evryone has a digital P+S is that too many wedding guests get up during the ceremony to take pictures. Argh! I went to a civil wedding once where there were more people in front taking pictures than sitting down!

I agree that there are some nice features on the Nikon D80 and the D200 but the K10D is a fabulous camera as well. The rare times I need to be reassured I made the right choice by going Pentax I remind myself of the tacky music you can add to the slideshow with the D80 (I must say the "thinning" feature in the K10D is almost as bad though... :blush

P.S.: I'd be curious to know why you didn't go for the Pentax 540 because at the moment I'm looking into this model and the Metz mecablitz 54 MZ-4 / 54 MZ-4i. However, if you do decide on going with the D80, may I recommend their SB-800 flash.

This is a limited offer, I'm afraid. If Pete sees sense, and realises he was stupid to sell the gun, I shall happily undo the transaction.

G

Yes, but how likely is that?

How about if I slag off the K10D for a bit, and then repent... will you sell it to me?

APPOLOGIES ALL ROUND

Its been a bad few days one way or another so please excuse my rant. Sometimes I see red

George I appologise not for the first time and promise to be more graceful in my replies but please try not to get to personal. I can take most things on the chin.

As for imature tell me any Man that isnt acording to my partner and most women

Spelling is fine I sometime type so fast and forget to check before posting, same goes for grammer. When I do police statements I do OK so excuse me for my lack of effort on the forum.

I promise in future to reserve my rages to a mere let off a bit of steam

Any way I have just done some meditating to calm ones nerves

Pete

PS I think you guys Chris/George love winding me up

CABRONS (spanish swear word)