photography is not a crime


judderman62

Link Posted 17/07/2012 - 22:45
the wonderful boys in blue at their stunning best once again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiAucf-ZqTI
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cabstar

Link Posted 17/07/2012 - 22:57
Hmm combination of g4s and the police that's not good is it?
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judderman62

Link Posted 17/07/2012 - 22:59
not really no ...

"would you like more pain ?" !!!!! wtf ??? there is no way he should escape disciplinary action

would they not have stood more chance of finding out what was in his hand by trying to talk to him some more rather than wrestling him to the ground ?
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 17/07/2012 - 23:00
Disgusting!!! I agree he shouldn't have called the Police effin t**t's though.

Not surprising that the incompetent company G4S ( whih also aids and abets unlawful apartheid ) was responsible for this too
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 17/07/2012 - 23:01
cabstar wrote:
Hmm combination of g4s and the police that's not good is it?

Yup, we've seen this combination on the news a lot over the last few days

Anyone taking their camera to the Olympics?
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judderman62

Link Posted 17/07/2012 - 23:02
as someone on another forum said though - given the way he was treated even the pope might have had a ripe word to say
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whatsthisbuttondo

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 06:49
I hope he takes video to his solicitor police bang out of order, unfortunately not the worst i have seen though

Smeggypants

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 07:33
whatsthisbuttondo wrote:
I hope he takes video to his solicitor police bang out of order, unfortunately not the worst i have seen though

unfortunately the IPCC is anything but independent. but good luck to him. Appalling treatment
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K10D

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 07:37
G4S

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Best regards

steven9761

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 08:21
If ever you are treated in this manner, it is your right to make a Police Complaint. There are 2 types of complaint - INFORMAL, and FORMAL.

Types of informal complaint are: being spoken to in a condescending manner by an officer, arrogance of the officer, etc.

Types of formal complaint are: being brutalised in the manner shown in the video, where an officer thinks his name is John Rambo, or in the case of a female, Red Sonja.

In an informal complaint, the officer at the front desk completes a complaint form, which you then get to read and sign. This gets passed to another police station for assessment, and the complaint noted against the officer(s). When the officer involved applies to a promotions board, your complaint is taken into consideration by the panel. Worst-case scenario - the officer gets turned down for promotion, and the wage increase that comes with it.

In a formal complaint, your completed complaint form is passed to another UK force to investigate. You may even have at least two detectives who are assigned to your complaint contact you to conduct a formal interview, usually at your home. At this point, your complaint/allegation of assault, or whatever, is treated as a crime. A successful outcome in your favour will generally see the officer(s) involved being sacked, and loses all benefits associated with the job. A worst-case scenario in a formal complaint is that the officer(s) involved may also be imprisoned. There is also the possibility that you will be awarded some form of compensation.

If ever you encounter a situation similar to the guy in the video, you should hopefully be better informed as to your rights as a citizen.
Last Edited by steven9761 on 18/07/2012 - 08:22

paulgee20

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 08:28
Formal/Informal Complaints

This, on the face is a possible redress. However the statistics of upheld complaints is somewhat less then ABYSMAL.
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 09:05
K10D wrote:
G4S

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this is the most immoral behaviour of this corrupt company.

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Oso

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 09:23
With a bit of common sense, one should be able to distinguish between a genuine photographer/holiday maker and a predator taking photographs of children.

Oso

Frankie

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 09:51
I don't think the photographer helped himself at all. Nor do I think we saw the start of the incident. I'd much rather hear from an independant witness, of which there were many. How come none of them have commented on his video? Also I'd rather see one innocent photographer inadvertently arrested than risk any pilot. There are loads of photographers at an air-show. What was this one doing differently? I think we're all jumping to conclusions without knowing all the facts.
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greynolds999

Link Posted 18/07/2012 - 09:53
Some of the comments on this thread may be bordering on libel and I think posters should be careful of how they are phrasing things. Whilst I think there are important issues here I do not think a photography forum is necessarily the best platform to discuss them.

I would also be wary of making a judgement when the start of this event is missing. Without knowing what happened before the start of this video no firm conclusions can be drawn about the appropriateness of the police response.

EDIT: Frankie beat me to it!
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Last Edited by greynolds999 on 18/07/2012 - 09:53
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