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Posted 18/07/2012 - 15:11
paulgee20 wrote:
The statement, I believe said 'this corrupt' company. It did not name/accuse a company specifically.
It would may have been better perhaps to say 'alledgedly' or 'In my opinion'
The statement, I believe said 'this corrupt' company. It did not name/accuse a company specifically.
It would may have been better perhaps to say 'alledgedly' or 'In my opinion'
Sorry but G4S was mentioned by name and in two links and then accused of being corrupt.
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 15:16
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All photographers are liable to suffer because of a small minority who cannot conduct themselves in a professional manner. In the example above, in a park in front of kids too
All photographers are liable to suffer because of a small minority who cannot conduct themselves in a professional manner. In the example above, in a park in front of kids too
yeah tell that to the woman that approached me, yelling and swearing and calling me a pedophile...
another place where it's ok to raise a fuss and cause a scenes is when you find yourself in a store and some clerk demands to search your bag....
in situations where people are counting on you being embarrassed enough to give up your rights without a fight those are the times where it's right to turn the tables on them...
"Are you accusing me of stealing?" followed by "What did you see me take?" followed by "Where did you see me put it?" followed by "Do you treat all your customers like thieves, just in case?" followed by "IF I was a drug dealing seriel killer with a pound of cocaine and a severed head in this bag the police would would need probable cause to get a judge to sign a warrant to legally search this bag... WTF makes you think I'll give up my constitional rights to a @#$$$ grocery store clerk?"
after all.. you can't leave a bag full of camera equipment and your laptop in your car.. most auto insurance policies have limits and or clauses that protect them if you leave expensive stuff in the car...
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Last Edited by Don on 18/07/2012 - 15:30
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 15:31
NOT by name in the specific post! Only in the original and later by 'possible' inference in a subsequent post!
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 15:45
Having a spare moment here at work, I had a browse at both the CIVIL AVIATION ACT 1982, and the AVIATION AND MARITIME SECURITY ACT 1990, I cannot find any specific references to cameras and photographers.
Where a person is photographing military aircraft, I can understand the need for enhanced security (espionage, sabotage, etc), but at an airshow, where no doubt the general public would be permitted to look inside the cockpit, engine cowling, etc...??
Right behind my place of work is the OS military mapping offices, and we get regular visits from Chinooks, and the occasional Westland, and it's never been a problem. I can also go up to Hatton X tube station at heathrow, and stand amongst plane-spotters who, funnily enough, usually carry cameras AND specialist radios that lets them "eavesdrop" on conversations between the pilot, runway control, and air-traffic control. I've yet to read of and arrests for that either.
Where a person is photographing military aircraft, I can understand the need for enhanced security (espionage, sabotage, etc), but at an airshow, where no doubt the general public would be permitted to look inside the cockpit, engine cowling, etc...??
Right behind my place of work is the OS military mapping offices, and we get regular visits from Chinooks, and the occasional Westland, and it's never been a problem. I can also go up to Hatton X tube station at heathrow, and stand amongst plane-spotters who, funnily enough, usually carry cameras AND specialist radios that lets them "eavesdrop" on conversations between the pilot, runway control, and air-traffic control. I've yet to read of and arrests for that either.
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 15:59
Wasn't the guy accused of pointing a laser pen at planes???
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 16:16
Maybe they mistook the AF assist light for some sort of laser (sometimes the AF assist light comes on if you forget to take your lens cap off, not that I would EVER make such a schoolboy error of course!)
We can't really tell whether the situation ended badly because of the officer's heavy handedness, or extreme truculence on the photographer's part. Or a bit of both?
To me, they should have taken him to one side and asked him about his equipment / had a look at it, to satisfy any concerns they might have had. If this was done, and if the photographer had respectfully complied without making a big meal out of it, the situation would have been avoided. On the other hand, if they treated him aggressively from the start, his complaint is totally justified.
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We can't really tell whether the situation ended badly because of the officer's heavy handedness, or extreme truculence on the photographer's part. Or a bit of both?
To me, they should have taken him to one side and asked him about his equipment / had a look at it, to satisfy any concerns they might have had. If this was done, and if the photographer had respectfully complied without making a big meal out of it, the situation would have been avoided. On the other hand, if they treated him aggressively from the start, his complaint is totally justified.
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Last Edited by Pentaxophile on 18/07/2012 - 16:17
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 16:33
cabstar wrote:
Wasn't the guy accused of pointing a laser pen at planes???
Wasn't the guy accused of pointing a laser pen at planes???
Maybe he had one of those laser "tape-measures" that uses a beam of light instead of a conventional tape measure?.. link
If so, it wasn't exactly the brightest idea, was it? It's been well documented in the media about kids using laser devices (usually pens/key-rings) to temporarily "blind" pilots on approach and take-off! Still - Definite overkill by Plod, methinks!!
Last Edited by steven9761 on 18/07/2012 - 16:35
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 16:55
I never stated that there was a libellous statement, merely that some comments were close to the line.
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 16:55
Don wrote:
yeah tell that to the woman that approached me, yelling and swearing and calling me a pedophile...
Blythman wrote:
All photographers are liable to suffer because of a small minority who cannot conduct themselves in a professional manner. In the example above, in a park in front of kids too
All photographers are liable to suffer because of a small minority who cannot conduct themselves in a professional manner. In the example above, in a park in front of kids too
yeah tell that to the woman that approached me, yelling and swearing and calling me a pedophile...
I'll not reply to the rest as its nothing specific to photographers.
Acting the way you did will have resulted in photographers in general getting slagged off by her, her family, friends and acquaintences. Its really not very helpful. Feel sorry for the next photographer who turns up a the park.
Act professionally and it doesn't escalate. And can often improve perception.
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 17:36
steven9761 wrote:
Maybe he had one of those laser "tape-measures" that uses a beam of light instead of a conventional tape measure?..
Maybe he had one of those laser "tape-measures" that uses a beam of light instead of a conventional tape measure?..
If that was the case, I would understand Plod's reaction. Completely. Anyone actually found waving one of those around at an airshow deserves an extremely bumpy ride to the station in the back of a Police van. But there's no evidence that this guy was, so...
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 22:58
Blythman wrote:
I'll not reply to the rest as its nothing specific to photographers.
Acting the way you did will have resulted in photographers in general getting slagged off by her, her family, friends and acquaintences. Its really not very helpful. Feel sorry for the next photographer who turns up a the park.
Act professionally and it doesn't escalate. And can often improve perception.
I'll not reply to the rest as its nothing specific to photographers.
Acting the way you did will have resulted in photographers in general getting slagged off by her, her family, friends and acquaintences. Its really not very helpful. Feel sorry for the next photographer who turns up a the park.
Act professionally and it doesn't escalate. And can often improve perception.
I don't know, it might make her think twice before throwing accusations like that around.
I've been called a paedophile once and had it alluded to once, so I can really see where Don is coming from. It's not nice to be on the receiving end just because the other person has the IQ of a slug.
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Posted 18/07/2012 - 23:03
Don't worry, I'm sure many people have reacted a lot worse to being called a paedophile in front of their own kids. It does sound a bit strong, but we weren't there.
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Posted 19/07/2012 - 00:33
Taking my K5 + 18-135 to watch the 'Tae Kwon Do' quarter & semi finals at the ExCeL venue.
Am a little apprehensive of the 'shoot first and ask questions later' overzealous brigade...Hey, what the heck, it's a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity!
Seriously though, I'll be more concerned about taking crappy pics!!
Am a little apprehensive of the 'shoot first and ask questions later' overzealous brigade...Hey, what the heck, it's a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity!
Seriously though, I'll be more concerned about taking crappy pics!!
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It would may have been better perhaps to say 'alledgedly' or 'In my opinion'
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