Pentax FF DSLR - confirmed

Stuey
Posted 10/10/2012 - 20:35 - Helpful Comment Link
fatspider wrote:
Well I don't want FF and I don't want faster AF, and I am boring
You beat me to this comment Alan I too don't really want faster af or ff and I too admit to being boring

One bizarre consequence is that I have been toying with buying a new lens for a while and have been torn between the 17-70/16-45/12-24/fa 31 ltd and the da 15 ltd - now even though I am sure I don't want or need ff I am swaying towards the Fa 31 - somewhere in my tiny brain there appears to be a conflict going on
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davidstorm
Posted 10/10/2012 - 20:44 Link
I think are a lot of us are quite excited about this judging by the thread so far. I for one would be eager to see what improvements in IQ would be on offer, especially for landscapes and also I would jump at the chance to use my older manual focus lenses on a FF body. Most of my lenses are FF, so lack of compatibility wouldn't worry me in the slightest.

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Edited by davidstorm: 10/10/2012 - 20:44
MarkTaylor
Posted 10/10/2012 - 21:43 Link
gartmore wrote:
This has been such an enjoyable thread to read, so much positive thinking
Yeah I thought I had better predict doom and gloom just to balance things out. Too much positivity and I might even become a likeable human being. That would never do.
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cabstar
Posted 10/10/2012 - 22:18 Link
greynolds999 wrote:
fritzthedog wrote:
More importantly - can I just register my immediate interest for all of those wonderful lenses you own that will no longer suite you.

I am anticipating there will be such a deluge of them available that you will all want to virtually give them to me for nothing or indeed swap them with me for the stash of old FF lenses I have been saving for this momentous occasion

Carl
I realise this was tongue-in-cheek but I would hope Pentax have a similar mechanism to the other marques that automatically senses when a cropped-lens is added and changes the file size.

But it may actually increase the price of older lenses. After all many may realise that they can use old manual lenses to their full potential again!
I don't think legacy glass will o crease in value for ff if they get the lens lineup right at launch 24-70 2.8 70-200 2.8 for a start. There hasn't been that much of an increase in 645 glass has there
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McGregNi
Posted 10/10/2012 - 22:18 Link
I'm very new to Pentax, just started out with the brand in March, but I understand that there are some older autofocus lenses known as 'FA', made for the more recent Film SLRs, and I believe some are very good optically.

It would seem realistic to expect Pentax to release new versions of a few of these 'FA's, optimised for digital with the new coatings and updated high speed focussing motors etc etc.

And surely any maker needs to have a new SLR available ready to shoot in kit form, with a lens already on it! (even so called Pro FF models?)

Also, it looks like weather sealing and general outdoors toughness is becoming a bit of a Pentax marketing 'thing', so the WR is likely to feature also. It will be this feature plus a general value for money advantage that will make a new FF Pentax stand out from the competition.
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greynolds999
Posted 10/10/2012 - 22:53 Link
cabstar wrote:
greynolds999 wrote:
fritzthedog wrote:
More importantly - can I just register my immediate interest for all of those wonderful lenses you own that will no longer suite you.

I am anticipating there will be such a deluge of them available that you will all want to virtually give them to me for nothing or indeed swap them with me for the stash of old FF lenses I have been saving for this momentous occasion

Carl
I realise this was tongue-in-cheek but I would hope Pentax have a similar mechanism to the other marques that automatically senses when a cropped-lens is added and changes the file size.

But it may actually increase the price of older lenses. After all many may realise that they can use old manual lenses to their full potential again!
I don't think legacy glass will o crease in value for ff if they get the lens lineup right at launch 24-70 2.8 70-200 2.8 for a start. There hasn't been that much of an increase in 645 glass has there
Not everyone is going to be able to spend £2k on glass. I'm not suggesting that every lens will increase, but some of the better glass may be worth more.
MarkD
Posted 10/10/2012 - 23:28 Link
Well lets not get too excited. The proposed launch date is more than a year away. By 2014 Sony will have an interchangeable lens version of the RX1 with a decent EVF. That's a digital MX if ever I saw one.
Pentax will need to come up with something special and at a special price to make any impact in what will be a very crowded sector by then. Un crippling the lens mount would be a huge step in their favour. All that legacy glass with rapid manual focus and aperature selection.....
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K10D
Posted 11/10/2012 - 00:08 Link
fritzthedog wrote:
K10D wrote:
fritzthedog wrote:
Hopefully it will now stop all of the boring "why haven't we got FF - I am jumping ship" threads

Carl
Absolutely agree, the people wanting a FF from Pentax are boring. Even those wanting faster AF are boring.

Why would any Pentax user possibly want to use a Ltd lens on a camera format that it was actually designed to be used with?

Best regards
There was no suggestion from me that anybody was boring for wanting new/ improved/ innovative products and or developments - my point was quite specifically that the meaningless "why haven't Pentax given me FF - I am jumping ship" threads had become somewhat tedious of late. For the record - like Smeggy - I would love better AF but I am not going to start a thread threatening to jump ship if I don't get it - should it arrive I will probably start a thread praising it - guess I am just a glass half full sort of guy.
There's never a need to jump ship. Just buy a FF body and glass to complement existing Pentax kit. People who threaten to jump very rarely do. It's more frustration. There's a good range of FF bodies available with good glass, fast AF etc. already out there.

If the reason not to buy an alternative FF body is brand or cost then it’s a waiting game. Sort of cutting your nose off to spite your face approach? That may indicate that the name on the kit has priority over the photography itself.

I only bought a FF body, lenses; TC’s and flashes because I like carrying heavier kit all day. I couldn’t really think of any other reasons.

As Alan says, the price of Ltd's may be going up. I genuinely think that most Pentax prices should be class priced. K5 II should be 2K plus for the body only. It's Pentax's top DSLR so should be up alongside the top Nikons and Canon's. Just because it’s performance differs in some area’s is irrelevant. If performance did matter, there would be more of us using FF Canon and Nikon bodies.

Let’s not be cheapskates here. We say that Pentax IQ is second to none so let’s back that up with total support for the company and welcome hierarchy pricing. If the 645D was priced at Hasselblad levels would it sell and if not why not? Why shouldn’t a K5 II be 2K plus?

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Smeggypants
Posted 11/10/2012 - 01:09 Link
Well I think it's great Pentax are finally going to release a FF DSLR. Cabstar, is just the sort of person I would predict would buy one too

I admit I'd like one to stick my A50/1.2 on it as the feild of view would be great ( I've always wished it was an A30/1.2

But I won't be buying one for while. Too many lenses with a smaller image circle for starters. I also like to have two identical DSLRs for shoots, so I'd have to buy two and I won't be able to afford it.
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piotro
Posted 11/10/2012 - 10:43 Link
K10D wrote:
K5 II should be 2K plus for the body only. Why shouldn’t a K5 II be 2K plus?
If it sells as it sells now, why do you think increasing in price would make people more likely to buy it.
Doesn't matter if it is Pentax top model, it has to comparable with competitors and still competitive on the market- on technical level and price level. Could ask a question, why Nikon/Canon doesn't price their top APS-C at 2k level.
Currently Pentax doesn't offer anything (in comparison to other brands) that would back pricing K5II at such high price tag.
Edited by piotro: 11/10/2012 - 10:45
MarkTaylor
Posted 11/10/2012 - 13:56 Link
McGregNi wrote:
I'm very new to Pentax, just started out with the brand in March, but I understand that there are some older autofocus lenses known as 'FA', made for the more recent Film SLRs, and I believe some are very good optically.

It would seem realistic to expect Pentax to release new versions of a few of these 'FA's, optimised for digital with the new coatings and updated high speed focussing motors etc etc.
If they re-release these lens designs they are really going to have to update the build as well as coatings/motors etc. Many of the FA series lenses have a cheap plasticky build which doesn't inspire confidence and really just won't cut it in today's market.
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MarkTaylor
Posted 11/10/2012 - 14:00 Link
K10D wrote:
Why shouldn’t a K5 II be 2K plus?
Because then I wouldn't be able to aford one. Simple, really.
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tyronet2000
Posted 11/10/2012 - 14:43 Link
I'm in the fortunate position of not knowing or caring what all the fuss is about. If you needed FF and whatever etc etc there must be a camera out there that suits. So buy it and stop whinging, or wetting yourself because Pentax is talking about making one
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Peter Elgar
Posted 11/10/2012 - 15:01 Link
I hope they put up the maximum FLASH synch speed to at least 1/250th second ! They did it once -- why not again ?
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MattMatic
Posted 11/10/2012 - 15:39 Link
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I hope they put up the maximum FLASH synch speed to at least 1/250th second
Really? Half a stop makes that much of a difference for studio and dumb flash??

I can already sync up to 1/4000s with HSS flash of the AF360 & AF540

Maybe they will though as it's a function of the two shutter curtains and their speed of travel... but then maybe it's harder as the shutter curtains have further to travel for FF.

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