Pentax FF Dead, Maybe
Posted 18/08/2013 - 21:39
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I wondered why you had changed your name to 'Horst' Stuey, it did seem a little bit odd
It's not a bad quote though, so maybe you should have taken the credit for it!
Cheers
David
It's not a bad quote though, so maybe you should have taken the credit for it!
Cheers
David
Posted 18/08/2013 - 22:49
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Algernon wrote:
The Metric System's rubbish!
I prefer Bushels and Pecks
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I think he meant Angstrom Units.The Metric System's rubbish!
I prefer Bushels and Pecks
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Posted 18/08/2013 - 23:22
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tyronet2000 wrote:
I honestly don't know what all the fuss is about FF, ASAP or whatever. I visited The Station, Richmond yesterday to view the winning entries in the photography competition, one of our club members has a winning entry (the osprey). Not a pentax shot
The Phone images section was amazing. link. If I could get shots like this with a phone why hump a heavy DSLR kit about here and there.
Most of that is in the editing, but yup you can get a great shot on anything.
I honestly don't know what all the fuss is about FF, ASAP or whatever. I visited The Station, Richmond yesterday to view the winning entries in the photography competition, one of our club members has a winning entry (the osprey). Not a pentax shot
The Phone images section was amazing. link. If I could get shots like this with a phone why hump a heavy DSLR kit about here and there.
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Posted 19/08/2013 - 08:39
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As Smeggy says you can get a good shot on anything. As the old saying goes. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Some people can get the greatest photos from the crappiest equipment because they have the eye for it. my friend has a VERY EARLY digital canon. My grand daughter has a Fuji bridge camera (not that these are crappy) and they both do really well. I on the other hand have had to learn and practice hard to achieve anything. Therefore although having the best equipment I can afford doesn't make me the best photographer I think it helps me a little bit.
CHEERS Vic.
CHEERS Vic.
Born again biker with lots of Pentax bits. Every day I wake up is a good day. I'm so old I don't even buy green bananas.
Posted 19/08/2013 - 09:03
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
I agree with you there Vic. There were several images (prize winning) in the exhibition I visited which to be honest I wouldn't have in the house, because although technically brilliant, I suppose, the subject did nothing for me. "One man's meat" etc.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Posted 19/08/2013 - 09:35
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Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder
Typo corrected
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder
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Posted 19/08/2013 - 09:56
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I think Vic's right that the equipment does help a little bit, because the best tools are always the easiest to use. The best workers can of course overcome less good tools, but ironically beginners will find the most benefit from using the best.
I did a recent EPZ blog showing my very first pictures with a Kodak Popular Brownie 620 Box Camera, certainly not the best tools!
I did a recent EPZ blog showing my very first pictures with a Kodak Popular Brownie 620 Box Camera, certainly not the best tools!
Best regards, John
Posted 19/08/2013 - 21:45
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Nice one Algi.
CHEERS Vic.
CHEERS Vic.
Born again biker with lots of Pentax bits. Every day I wake up is a good day. I'm so old I don't even buy green bananas.
Posted 19/08/2013 - 23:52
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johnriley wrote:
I think Vic's right that the equipment does help a little bit, because the best tools are always the easiest to use. The best workers can of course overcome less good tools, but ironically beginners will find the most benefit from using the best.
I did a recent EPZ blog showing my very first pictures with a Kodak Popular Brownie 620 Box Camera, certainly not the best tools!
Depends what you mean by "best" versus 'easiest' I think Vic's right that the equipment does help a little bit, because the best tools are always the easiest to use. The best workers can of course overcome less good tools, but ironically beginners will find the most benefit from using the best.
I did a recent EPZ blog showing my very first pictures with a Kodak Popular Brownie 620 Box Camera, certainly not the best tools!
Image quality ( in a technical sense ) isn't proportional to ease of use. I don't find the K-5 hard to use in the slightest, but in overall terms my sony and nokia compacts are much easier to use overall not least because they are tiny and more transportable in comparison and you just switch on and press the shutter button.
But yes equipment does of course make some difference, not onyl for a technically better image quality but for being able to capture images that some cameras can't. For example having a fast AF, high ISO performance or range of focal length and DOF. There's no way my sony or nokia can compete with a K-5 for those terms
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Posted 20/08/2013 - 00:02
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I think sometimes many of the arguments we see on the web stem from a failure to define the terms we are using. Even, as you say, "easier to use" needs to be defined so we are all thinking about the same thing. We've already thrashed out that "best" can mean many things.
In the context of the quote I was meaning best in terms of quality of manufacture, precision etc. So, for example, the best ruler is the one that's straighter and has more precise markings. It might be metal instead of plastic, it might have finer engraving for superior accuracy. Thus easier to use in that it will be easier to draw a more precise straight line of a given precision.
In this sense, I find the DSLR tends to win for me. It's easier to produce a quality result from a wider range of subject matter. It's not easier to carry than a compact or camera phone, which require much more care to maximise the quality they are capable of.
In the context of the quote I was meaning best in terms of quality of manufacture, precision etc. So, for example, the best ruler is the one that's straighter and has more precise markings. It might be metal instead of plastic, it might have finer engraving for superior accuracy. Thus easier to use in that it will be easier to draw a more precise straight line of a given precision.
In this sense, I find the DSLR tends to win for me. It's easier to produce a quality result from a wider range of subject matter. It's not easier to carry than a compact or camera phone, which require much more care to maximise the quality they are capable of.
Best regards, John
Posted 20/08/2013 - 00:36
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back to FF ....
Maybe Pentax should go down a FF compact route ....
Pentax film SLRs have been very, what I could call, compact. Perhaps Pentax should makes something that looks like the Pentax MX-1, has Pentax K mount like the Pentax K-01 and has the, cough, Sony 24MP FF sensor.
Hmmmmm Pentax!
Maybe Pentax should go down a FF compact route ....
Pentax film SLRs have been very, what I could call, compact. Perhaps Pentax should makes something that looks like the Pentax MX-1, has Pentax K mount like the Pentax K-01 and has the, cough, Sony 24MP FF sensor.
Hmmmmm Pentax!
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Posted 20/08/2013 - 00:37
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Posted 20/08/2013 - 08:41
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It's all very well, but what we end up with is a small fiddly camera body with a huge lens on front that makes the overall volumetric bulk pretty much the same. That is, too big for a pocket, so we still need a camera bag. I don't see any advantages and all the disadvantages.
The K-01 was ideal if you wanted a full quality interchangeable lens camera but not optical viewfinder. Great for small product photography and still life macro and anything else you would use one of the smaller cameras for.
I have handled a K-01 and it works rather well. The small CSCs are a different beast, the only sensible one for me being the Q series.
The K-01 was ideal if you wanted a full quality interchangeable lens camera but not optical viewfinder. Great for small product photography and still life macro and anything else you would use one of the smaller cameras for.
I have handled a K-01 and it works rather well. The small CSCs are a different beast, the only sensible one for me being the Q series.
Best regards, John
Posted 20/08/2013 - 09:41
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johnriley wrote:
It's all very well, but what we end up with is a small fiddly camera body with a huge lens on front that makes the overall volumetric bulk pretty much the same. That is, too big for a pocket, so we still need a camera bag. I don't see any advantages and all the disadvantages.
The K-01 was ideal if you wanted a full quality interchangeable lens camera but not optical viewfinder. Great for small product photography and still life macro and anything else you would use one of the smaller cameras for.
I have handled a K-01 and it works rather well. The small CSCs are a different beast, the only sensible one for me being the Q series.
I so agree, and as soon as funds allow I will be a owner of a K-01, in some daft colour combo I feel.It's all very well, but what we end up with is a small fiddly camera body with a huge lens on front that makes the overall volumetric bulk pretty much the same. That is, too big for a pocket, so we still need a camera bag. I don't see any advantages and all the disadvantages.
The K-01 was ideal if you wanted a full quality interchangeable lens camera but not optical viewfinder. Great for small product photography and still life macro and anything else you would use one of the smaller cameras for.
I have handled a K-01 and it works rather well. The small CSCs are a different beast, the only sensible one for me being the Q series.
I can remember when it was launched all the negative feedback, all the bad reviews and everybody stating it would fail, and guess what it did and Pentax pulled the plug after 12 months.
Now it looks like it may well be ending up as a classic Pentax, I was one of those who thought what's the point in that and thought that right up to the point it was pulled, then I tried a friends of mine and now I want one.
Strange world we live in
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[quote:3496ace15f="JonSchick"][quote:3496ace15f="Horst"]
Stuey wrote:
Any complaint about FF is completely absurd. FF is always better than APC or similar.
This is like saying in the film camera days, 35mm is better than 6 x 9 or half or full plate. The larger size is always better.
The same goes for digital.
No question.
Regards, Horst
But I can't agree larger size is always better. Read the number of posts by people who buy larger cameras with their larger lenses and then end up barely using them because they're too big to lug around, and it then becomes clear that FF cameras are compromises just like any other.
You go for the best mix of price, quality, size and features that suits you best. And for many people, it is not automatically correct the FF is always going to be better.
I thought that only the famous and well thought of were misquoted and not oiks like me
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