Miror lock up

When I bought my *ist Ds mirror lock up was one of the features drop from the spec of the *ist D that came before. I can't find any mention of mirror lock in the K10D's spec. Is it not there....should it be do you think?

both the DS and the K10D have mirror pre-fire, which is close enough for me.

set the camera to 2seconds self timer and the mirror flips up when you hit the button, two seconds before the shutter itself fires.

Yes, but this is pretty poor design,...yet again we have a supposedley 'pro' camera which is loaded with mindless complexity that nobody will use but which does NOT have one of the most basic SLR pre-requisites....this is essential feature for several types of specific work and, we had it 30 years ago on pro level SLR's......

Thge big problem with all these DSLR models is that they are now the sole province of oriental designers and companies,...we have already seen what this means in camcorders which are LOADED with gimmicks but which lack the most basic manual controls,...to get a 'real' focussing ring you need to spend £4000..!!!

it's about time that DSLR makers started to think for themselves and design rather than 'style' digital camera systems rather than just go on with the same old film SLR's with a sensor thrown inside,...digital has broken the 'box' now we need to see makers moving outside it......

It's VERY frustating to have come from medium format cameras which were / are very well designed but to go digital thje only game in town (without spending twenty grand) is the 'black blob' and it's attendant endless gimmicks....a bit of good design and the inclusion of some basic facilities would'nt come amiss.

Viewfinder, have you actually used a K10D?

I use mine a lot, and I really am not seeing the mindless complexity which you love to vocalise about. With the sole exception of the "slimming" filter, I don't believe there is a single feature on it which I have not used in real life photography. I've even used the in camera RAW development when I was stuck for time and away from my computer.

Would I like to see full mirror lockup? yes. Is it a deal breaker? no


You love to complain about DSLRs being overcomplicated and not exploiting the benefits of digital, but I have never yet seen you put forward a suggestion of what you would like to see instead. So tell me, what is it that you find so wrong with the K10D its siblings? What would you change?

I, too, am intrigued as to what this camera lacks that you desire. I have asked you before on a different thread, but you didn't reply. You keep mentioning 'mindless complexity', but give no example, other than the slimming filter which, I agree, is not worth the menu space.

Dan

Square sensor,..25mm X 25mm,....format change (without having to physically reposition camera..we've had it for 50+ years on MF ) by pressure switch under either thumb for JPEG, full sensor capture for RAW....live feed to lcd,......lcd which can be oriented...remote feed to laptop,...duplicate memory card capture,...interchangeable viewfinders with MF choices(I had this on my Canon F1 system 28 years ago),...remote viewfinder facility with well designed choices,...differential masking of sensor,...full X-sync for flash,...wireless sync,.....supplied flash co-axial socket (why is this NOT on k10D???) ....'real' mirror lock-up (and down) by easily accessed pressure switch (why is this NOT on k10D??)...no fouling of lens mount by projecting body sections....provision of microprism ring on focussing screen (why is this missing from K10D??)....cable release socket (why is this missing from K10D??..yes, I know there is remote release facility!).....

If you MUST have some gimmicks then put in some usefull ones like on-board digital perspective control......

The 'technology' would not be even slightly challenged by any of the above...

And, this is with just a few minutes 'anger'...not even any deep thought..enough to be going on with...

Mirror lock-up is 2, maybe 3 clicks away on the ds - is that such a big deal. Modern dslr cameras offer an incredible range of features but so does a 10 x 8 field camera, they are just different beasts.

"...... Modern dslr cameras offer an incredible range of features but so does a 10 x 8 field camera...."

The difference with the 10x8 is that the range of features are all functional and there for a reason......further, they are functional because real photographers found them either vital or useful.....they are hardly to be compared with the mindless complexity, and frankly, 'gimmicks' of most of the current DSLR's.

good list, can't say I agree with many of them (though official MF finder screens would be very nice) but at least you have stated your position now.

Given your hatred of mindless complexity it is interesting that you include live view, which I regard as nothing but a rarely useful gimick. I guess one mans gimick is another mans killer feature.

Unfortunately, the reality is that we are not going to get any digital cameras with out quite a lot of pure gimmicks because the people who 'design' this stuff have that kind of perception of photographers needs.....

I'm surprised that out of that quickly bashed out list you can only find the 'live feed' a gimmick.......

Live feed would be handy to me because much of my output is stage photography and all too often The camera is uncomfortably high so sometimes it would be very useful to see the movement onstage by looking up at the lcd....

Actually, last week when I was trying to catch the foxes killing rabbits on a nearby hillside I was crouching/lying behind the camera covered in my German Army poncho and thinking how useful it would be to be able to see the action on the back of the camera...

dear viewfinder,
the mirror will raise if you use 2 or 10 sec delay, it raises on pressng the button, but the shot is not taken till the delay xpires,thus helping to avoid shutter slap when mounted on a tripod, when your anti-shake is switched off. may I say RTM? without causing any burst blood vessels!

yes, i know how it works,...or rather, how it does'nt work...

10 secs is okay for entirely static shots.......

2 secs is more or less useless,...sometimes you need to flip the mirror and then wait until the action happens to trip the shutter.

The point is that we once had this feature on a decent SLR and now it's only a 'nod'.......kind of showing that they are only doing the user a favour on something that they don't really think is important because it's not stylish...a thing that only boring serious photographers use anyway..!!

Have to agree with this.

People tend to freeze up and look awkward if they notice that they're at the wrong end of a camera lens, so for getting candids, over the years I've learned to point the camera reasonably accurately without having to look through the viewfinder, thereby giving my intentions away.

It would be nice to be able to sneak a sideways look at the LCD to confirm that the shot is framed right.

Which camera? My K10D and my *istD have 2 and 12 second self timer delays. Mirror lockup only occurs when a 2 second delay is chosen, just as it states in the manual. The mirror does not lock up at the start of the 12 second delay. Or . . . have I missed something?

Just adding that the K10D mirror locks up when using the wireless release on 3sec delay. and unlike self timer you get the visual reminder thats the camera is still on this setting with the flashing LED.

I use this whenever I need mirror lock up as theres nothing more annoying than raising a camera to your eye and pressing the shutter only to hear "beep beep beep"