Lightroom 4 AND Photoshop?

Try opening ACR (by selecting a RAW file) - the current ACR version number is printed in the top left corner of the ACR window (as in the screenshot above). As I emphasised earlier, the Elements version will have fewer of the tabs on the right hand side, so fewer of the more sophisticated or multi step adjustment options. It wll have the 'Basic' section (with the key single-slider parameters, and then a noise reduction tab etc.

One useful tip - on the bar labled 'basic' there is a tiny right pointing arow on the right end - click here and a dropdown will offer a few choices to compare the current settings with the unedited version, and a couple of others I think - useful for seeing how your changes have affected the overall shot as you go.

Lightroom's develop module is pretty much exactly the same as ACR's paramters, plus some extras.

Download the demo and try and you'll get the picture --

I allways have it in full screen,so have never seen it before.
I says CAMERA RAW 6.7 PENTAX K-30.
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Dave

ACR 6.7 is the latest version that will work with Photoshop Elements version 10.

Thanks.
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Dave

Thanks Alan and Smeggy, sounds like a time saver

Lightroom has what it calls develop presets. You can save any combination of settings and importantly choose which parameters to save in the preset. For example you could create a Debelop preset that only contains a contrast and exposure compensation setting. This means the develop preset won't overright the values of any other parameters.

I have several Develop Presets which I apply to various types of shots before editing on a more detailed level. For example my landscape preset has an upper grad filter with increased contrast For the sky, and a lower grad filter with an exposure boost and a bit of clarity for the land. I'll simply select all the pics in the shoot that have land and relatively unobscured sky, and apply this preset to them all. Only then will I start editing any favourites.

Another great feature of lightroom is that you can write your own plugins for it, to automate tasks. I've written a plugin that applies a certain amount of sharpening and noise reduction based upon the camera and the ISO.

So before exporting a shoot, I simply select them all and apply this plugin. saves a ridiculous amount of time. And applying sharpening and noise reduction at the end of editing means that lightroom works much speedier During the editing process

To do this in Photoshop, we create an Action. It sounds like the same thing - a series of actions saved and available at the click of a button.

Plugins are more than just recording a series of actions. but code in their own right The equivalent in Photoshop would Photoshop Plugins.

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/photoshop.html

Lightroom plugins are written in the LUA programming language. http://www.lua.org/docs.html

I would assume photoshop uses the same ....

ETA: Looks like Photoshop plugins are written in C++

according to this

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/272575/how-do-i-rewrite-adobe-photoshop-plugi...

I did delve into C programming years ago. LUA isn't difficult though. the Lightroom SDK provides most functions pre complied so writing ilghtroom plugs ain't too laborious

SO WHY PHOTOSHOP AFTER LIGHTROOM. YES I AM SHOUTING

Along with the price Of course there would always be the "Jolly Rodger" editions

I have to say it's what you are used to seems the easiest if not the best, even though it may not be. I tried Lightroom but while I could see all the good features it seemed a nightmare just to open 1 file and edit and save it. It wants to open catalogues and there is no normal "save as" as such although I found out why and how.
Photoshop for me.

In Lightroom, you don't 'save' anything. An image is imported into its catalogue and any changes you make are stored as you make them, the original file is not changed in any way, so it doesn't need to be saved.

You can revisit an image years later and undo the adjustments you made, and start again if you wish. You can't do that with a saved JPG/TIFF unless you keep the original as well.

Also, if you are happy with the adjustments you've made to one image, and you have many similar images, you can apply those changes to all of those other similar images. A job that is not so easy with a sved JPG/TIFF.

I don't agree.

Lightroom is fine for 95% of all General photography editing, While Photoshop is the big pro image editing application that can do all the celeb fakery and other image manipulation stuff.

Merging the two wouldn't mean LR's sales would go through the roof it would mean sales would plummet as most people wouldn't spend the increased amount of money on it.

Your business model is a akin to having only expensive DSLRs that can do everything. The compact/phone cam market wouldn't go and buy them.