Lens calibration shop

Algernon
Posted 29/05/2014 - 09:12 Link
Optikos make some very expensive/specialist equipment for
adjusting lenses.......

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/03/rogers-new-toy-needs-a-name

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Algi
Smeggypants
Posted 29/05/2014 - 09:46 Link
Algernon wrote:
Optikos make some very expensive/specialist equipment for
adjusting lenses.......

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/03/rogers-new-toy-needs-a-name

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I read that when it was published. Amazing machine. It's for measuring lenses though not adjusting them. I still reckon the mallet shown in the pics is the adjustment tool
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
Posted 29/05/2014 - 09:51 Link
Smeggypants wrote:
schnitzer79 wrote:
all my other lenses are fine but its been a while since i checked them with the focus chart. which number do you see in focus on the picture in the right?because for me both 0 and the 8 above it seem ok whereas 16 isnt (referring to 2nd column fm right again)
-8 looks sharper than +8 here so it's still slightly back focussing.
its quite a dilemma really since I got the lens used, the body is in mint condition and got it for 370 euros from japan and ended up avoiding another 100+ euros in import charges + VAT (lucky me).its just a matter of whether I can accept the lens, swallow the fact that I will rarely shoot at f/4 since I did get it for landscapes and move on, or I could calibrate it at a shop or the last option would be to return it. and I really need to decide soon

looking at the photo on the left, even though I focused at 0, the numbers 8 and 16 above it look much sharper than the 0. However after the tuning, the 0 I believe is slightly sharper than the 8 above it even though the two 8's arent equally sharp as you said. I dont know if this is the lens or the fact that the lens was almost at minimal focusing distance and that anything closer to the lens will be obviously more blurry.

According to a guide I read, the points above and below the centre dont always need to be equally out of focus.read this,page 9 link
Edited by schnitzer79: 29/05/2014 - 09:52
Algernon
Posted 29/05/2014 - 09:54 Link
Smeggypants wrote:

I read that when it was published. Amazing machine. It's for measuring lenses though not adjusting them. I still reckon the mallet shown in the pics is the adjustment tool
No it's purely for adjusting lenses....
Quote "While this isn’t designed to be a screening or testing tool,
some comparisons are kind of interesting."


A mallet is always handy whatever you are doing

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Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff

Algi
Edited by Algernon: 29/05/2014 - 09:56
Smeggypants
Posted 29/05/2014 - 10:00 Link
Algernon wrote:
No it's purely for adjusting lenses....
Quote "While this isn’t designed to be a screening or testing tool,
some comparisons are kind of interesting."


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The machine doesn't adjust lenses it measures them. The lenses are then adjusted if the machine shows they need adjusting. I understand how the machine works, but I'm interested in how the lenses are actually adjusted and I can't find any info on this.
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
Smeggypants
Posted 29/05/2014 - 10:06 Link
schnitzer79 wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
schnitzer79 wrote:
all my other lenses are fine but its been a while since i checked them with the focus chart. which number do you see in focus on the picture in the right?because for me both 0 and the 8 above it seem ok whereas 16 isnt (referring to 2nd column fm right again)
-8 looks sharper than +8 here so it's still slightly back focussing.
its quite a dilemma really since I got the lens used, the body is in mint condition and got it for 370 euros from japan and ended up avoiding another 100+ euros in import charges + VAT (lucky me).its just a matter of whether I can accept the lens, swallow the fact that I will rarely shoot at f/4 since I did get it for landscapes and move on, or I could calibrate it at a shop or the last option would be to return it. and I really need to decide soon

looking at the photo on the left, even though I focused at 0, the numbers 8 and 16 above it look much sharper than the 0. However after the tuning, the 0 I believe is slightly sharper than the 8 above it even though the two 8's arent equally sharp as you said. I dont know if this is the lens or the fact that the lens was almost at minimal focusing distance and that anything closer to the lens will be obviously more blurry.

According to a guide I read, the points above and below the centre dont always need to be equally out of focus.read this,page 9 link
No they don't need to eb equally OOG, but the proper test is if it's giving acceptable results in the real world.

I don't use test charts any more when calibrating the AF for my lenses, I just take loads pictures of stuff at the widest aperture until I'm satisfied the adjustment is the best for all focal distances and, if a zoom all focal lengths.

The only lenses I've found that lie outside the +/-10 range is some old manual focus lenses.


Also bear in mind that there maybe be a parameter in debug mode that could set the core AF adjustment upon which the +/-10 parameters sits on top of.

The only way to adjust AF on the K10-D was in Debug mode and this was measure in micro metrese rather than an arbitrary dimensionless number
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
kh1234567890
Posted 29/05/2014 - 16:09 Link
Smeggypants wrote:
Given it's phase detect I would have thought some kind of comparator circuit would be used to detect Focus.
Something like that. With a bit more maths And the output of the correlator also gives you the amount and direction in which to go to focus.

Back to the OP :

How does this lens behave at infinity (how much correction does it need) ?
kh1234567890
Posted 29/05/2014 - 16:12 Link
Smeggypants wrote:
The only lenses I've found that lie outside the +/-10 range is some old manual focus lenses.
What is the point of adjusting the phase detect AF correction for manual focus lenses ?
Gamka
Posted 29/05/2014 - 16:47 Link
kh1234567890 wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
The only lenses I've found that lie outside the +/-10 range is some old manual focus lenses.
What is the point of adjusting the phase detect AF correction for manual focus lenses ?
"Capture in focus" - press the shutter release then slowly alter focus and when focus is detected the shutter will release.
Posted 29/05/2014 - 17:05 Link
kh1234567890 wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="Smeggypants"]

How does this lens behave at infinity (how much correction does it need) ?
after ive adjusted it to +10 ive tried it at infinity with f/8 and f/11 and its sharp and everything is in focus.
Edited by schnitzer79: 29/05/2014 - 17:06
dpm
Posted 29/05/2014 - 17:57 Link
and wide open?
redbusa99
Posted 29/05/2014 - 18:23 Link
is it possible to use PK Tether with the K50? if so that would make a larger adjustment range available
odd lens or 2

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Algernon
Posted 29/05/2014 - 18:55 Link
If you want the ultimate in focus peaking and the most
accurate focusing possible..... see this software....

http://lensvid.com/gear/kuuvik-capture-tethered-shooting-the-next-stage/

No Pentax version though!
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Algi
Edited by Algernon: 29/05/2014 - 19:11
kh1234567890
Posted 29/05/2014 - 20:29 Link
Gamka wrote:
kh1234567890 wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
The only lenses I've found that lie outside the +/-10 range is some old manual focus lenses.
What is the point of adjusting the phase detect AF correction for manual focus lenses ?
"Capture in focus" - press the shutter release then slowly alter focus and when focus is detected the shutter will release.
I'd always found that to be a hit-and-miss affair with manual lenses both on the K-7 and K-5ii. A good focusing screen is much easier.
Smeggypants
Posted 29/05/2014 - 20:45 Link
kh1234567890 wrote:
Smeggypants wrote:
The only lenses I've found that lie outside the +/-10 range is some old manual focus lenses.
What is the point of adjusting the phase detect AF correction for manual focus lenses ?
Focus confirmation.


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[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283

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