Leaving Pentax

Hope you get on with your new kit when you get it Bob.

I'm sure you'll have no probs with creativity in the meantime.

Wish I had money for your 10-17... sigh! nevermind.

Keep popping back and let us know how your getting on.



ali

Good luck, hope you enjoy your new toys and hope we can still meet up sometime at Llandaf for a photo shoot? not forgotten, just been a bit busy with work.
pob lwc

Actually, the first set is not like for like either, or I would have the Nikon 85/1.8, which would be more equivalent in terms of focal length and max aperture, though about the same price. But I kept the 50mm because that would be a better match for the purpose, as a general lens. Really, to match focals I should compare the 31mm Limited APS-C to 50mm full-frame, but then the Nikon kit is actually cheaper -- and faster!

The second set is matched for effective focal length but you are gaining a stop with the Nikon. Choosing an even slower less pro build for the Pentax would not help the comparison (even though I personally enjoy the 16-45).

My purpose was to make some sort of quick comparison based on the kit a photographer might buy tabula rasa. Of course there are further advantages to Nikon (flash) and Pentax (weather-sealing). But it is a reasonable comparison to show that full-frame is not that much more expensive. 50% more investment to a wedding photographer who can amortize the cost is very little. What's £1500 compared to a year's operating costs?

That depends on whether you are talking to a Prefessional Photographer or an Amateur Photographer.

In the latter case £1500 might be all there is to spend, or even less.

Haha, suddenly everyones obsessed with the 10-17mm well that's been sold. I will miss it certainly, I'll just have to save for a full-frame fisheye. I'm not worried about the zoom aspect as I use it wide anyway.
I have taken a shot for the fortnightly competition with the 10-17mm so it's not forgotten.

Glad to read that

Prieni

RR - interesting reasoning for switching brands. Surely some NR software would have been far cheaper than a whole system change. If you use RAW then you would be post processing anyway.

In any case, good luck with the switch and I hope it assists you in gettng what you need from photography.

Of course, but such people would hardly be trying to get into FF digital in the first place.

For those who want to save money I recommend a K100DS with Pentax 50/1.2 and Vivitar 28/2 lenses. Take first-class shots for a few hundred quid. No compromises except those of the cropped sensor. But I think it's obvious that is a different context!

It's a perfectly valid reason I think.
A noisy image has less detail initially due to being obscured by the noise.
Applying noise reduction further reduces the detail .

In capturing a cleaner initial image you retain more detail & can push the post processing further without suffering too much degradation.

It's the chroma (or colour) noise that bothers me, the luminance I can live with (although less is better).

You've made the decision thats right for you and enjoy yourself!

There are other options, although I dont know what sort of photographs you make, for comparitively next to nothing you could buy a large format camera. You'd be hard pushed to get noise there.

If you really want creamy smooth then Leaf or Hasselbald is the way to go.

It has always been thus, the bigger the format the less noise/grain but with a reciprocal need for even more light to give greater depth of field.

Swings and roundabouts really.

Enjoy the new kit RR, and look around for a Pentax full frame camera.


ME Supers aren't that expensive...

I've been mulling over splurging cash on a D700 or D3....admittedly the AF on them is way ahead of my K10D. Other factors that appeal to me include high iso performance and general build....

But, I am happy with the K10D at the moment, and the Pentax glass (even though I have been scaling back my lens collection) is wonderful to use, the FA 24-90 worked faultlessly in Namibia. What was remarkable was that I could just clean the camera by running warm water over it Ergonomically, the K10D is supreme - I can't understand why magazine reviewers have so many problems with the menu system.

I'm going to wait to see what the K-7 is like over the long term, the D700 and D3 are bricks. If consensus is that K-7 is a winner or that I should wait for K-9 then we will see... But I have all that lovely glass (and in-body stabilisation)

Good luck with Nippon Koyaku RR, it would be good to hear how the D700 compares over the K20D over the long term

Peter

RR will have to PM you about compareing the D700 against the Pentax K20D, if he put's a topic on here (like I did with the Canon 50D) it will be removed by John Riley As this is after all a Pentax Forum!!!!

Hopefully since there is no Pentax equivalent to the D700, John might be more lenient! It could give us all some insight into the APSc vs. FF debate, which is a non-brand specific issue (or it would be if Pentax got their finger out and gave us the FF option!)

Or maybe the advantages of FF will turn out to be not as significant as expected

We will see