K7 Sharpness
Posted 06/09/2011 - 20:52
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It may be the difference in sensor - the Ds and K100D have a CCD sensor, the K-7 a CMOS. It produces noticeably different results, even with the same lens.
Maybe you could post a couple of examples so others can come up with more (and probably better!) suggestions?
Maybe you could post a couple of examples so others can come up with more (and probably better!) suggestions?
Posted 06/09/2011 - 20:58
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Hi,
I also owned a K100D which I sold to by the Pentax KX, which has and still gets great reviews. However I still feel the K100D produced sharper and better quality images. I thought initially it may have been a poor kit lens but not so sure now. I am a bit disappointed to be honest but will keep trying to get to the bottom of this issue.
Kind Regards Willie
I also owned a K100D which I sold to by the Pentax KX, which has and still gets great reviews. However I still feel the K100D produced sharper and better quality images. I thought initially it may have been a poor kit lens but not so sure now. I am a bit disappointed to be honest but will keep trying to get to the bottom of this issue.
Kind Regards Willie
Willie
Posted 06/09/2011 - 21:06
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Are you comparing print against print or pixel against pixel?
Posted 06/09/2011 - 21:22
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I'll try to post two photos taken under the same conditions with same settings etc... But I'll have to take them at the weekend I expect, unless I can find two similar pictures.
But surely the different sensor shouldn't produce worse results? Different yes, but worse?
I do hope it's not the shutter induced blur. That doesn't seem overcome-able.
And I'm comparing images on screen - both on camera screen and on laptop. Not looking at a pixel level. Even at 1:4 you can see the photos just are not sharp.
But surely the different sensor shouldn't produce worse results? Different yes, but worse?
I do hope it's not the shutter induced blur. That doesn't seem overcome-able.
And I'm comparing images on screen - both on camera screen and on laptop. Not looking at a pixel level. Even at 1:4 you can see the photos just are not sharp.
Posted 06/09/2011 - 21:32
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Shutter blur is around 1/160 so out of my head.
What might be the problem is that the focus is not spot on with the K7 but you can adjust that in the camera.
You should zoom the photos so that the subjects on the photo are the same size.
The k7 has roughly twice as much pixels so zoom the K7 to 25% (1:4) and the K100D super to 50% (1:2), or print them both.
Also because the K7 has twice the pixels it's twice as demanding on the lens.
Best to judge the sensor would be to use the 50mm at f/5.6, that's probably the sharpest you can get.
Also when you use the K7 make one photo with live view, with that photo you can compare if the focus is spot on or not.
What might be the problem is that the focus is not spot on with the K7 but you can adjust that in the camera.
pezking wrote:
And I'm comparing images on screen - both on camera screen and on laptop. Not looking at a pixel level. Even at 1:4 you can see the photos just are not sharp.
But that isn't fair because you're comparing pixel for pixel.And I'm comparing images on screen - both on camera screen and on laptop. Not looking at a pixel level. Even at 1:4 you can see the photos just are not sharp.
You should zoom the photos so that the subjects on the photo are the same size.
The k7 has roughly twice as much pixels so zoom the K7 to 25% (1:4) and the K100D super to 50% (1:2), or print them both.
Also because the K7 has twice the pixels it's twice as demanding on the lens.
Best to judge the sensor would be to use the 50mm at f/5.6, that's probably the sharpest you can get.
Also when you use the K7 make one photo with live view, with that photo you can compare if the focus is spot on or not.
Posted 06/09/2011 - 22:11
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Anvh wrote:
Shutter blur is around 1/160 so out of my head.
What might be the problem is that the focus is not spot on with the K7 but you can adjust that in the camera.
You should zoom the photos so that the subjects on the photo are the same size.
The k7 has roughly twice as much pixels so zoom the K7 to 25% (1:4) and the K100D super to 50% (1:2), or print them both.
I am comparing them like this. I'm just saying that viewing a photo from the K7 at 1:4 - not even filling my 13" macbook screen, you can tell that the photos are just not sharp, nevermind in comparison to any other photos.Shutter blur is around 1/160 so out of my head.
What might be the problem is that the focus is not spot on with the K7 but you can adjust that in the camera.
pezking wrote:
And I'm comparing images on screen - both on camera screen and on laptop. Not looking at a pixel level. Even at 1:4 you can see the photos just are not sharp.
But that isn't fair because you're comparing pixel for pixel.And I'm comparing images on screen - both on camera screen and on laptop. Not looking at a pixel level. Even at 1:4 you can see the photos just are not sharp.
You should zoom the photos so that the subjects on the photo are the same size.
The k7 has roughly twice as much pixels so zoom the K7 to 25% (1:4) and the K100D super to 50% (1:2), or print them both.
It could be the AF, but I am not convinced. I'll get a focus chart and give a go at calibrating.
cardiff_gareth wrote:
Are you shooting JPEGs or Raw?
Raw. I'm using DNG.Are you shooting JPEGs or Raw?
I am perfectly willing to accept that I might be the problem! I don't really care, I just want better photos!
Posted 06/09/2011 - 22:12
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This was with the Tamron 17-50mm at 28mm f3.2 from the in camera jpeg, hand held (but at 1/1600s probably not a factor). And 100% crop. If you want to benchmark. You can probably squeeze more from RAW and by sharpening.
I'd guess you should get similar from your Sigma 24-70mm.
Admittedly it was a bright day and in dull weather like we've had all summer it can be a bit flat.
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I'd guess you should get similar from your Sigma 24-70mm.
Admittedly it was a bright day and in dull weather like we've had all summer it can be a bit flat.
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Lurking is shirking.!
Posted 06/09/2011 - 22:35
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I can see that the images look over exposed to me, my K7 produces sharp images but only when all the settings are right. My old CCD cam was less fussy.Try the 55-300 at F8-F11 at 1/80 with a 160 ISO. I find these settings to give vibrant sharp nice images. I always shoot Raw.
Regards
Chris
Regards
Chris
Posted 06/09/2011 - 22:37
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pezking wrote:
I am comparing them like this. I'm just saying that viewing a photo from the K7 at 1:4 - not even filling my 13" macbook screen, you can tell that the photos are just not sharp, nevermind in comparison to any other photos.
Okay, sorry, i thought you were comparing.I am comparing them like this. I'm just saying that viewing a photo from the K7 at 1:4 - not even filling my 13" macbook screen, you can tell that the photos are just not sharp, nevermind in comparison to any other photos.
pezking wrote:
It could be the AF, but I am not convinced. I'll get a focus chart and give a go at calibrating.
No need for that to just simply check.It could be the AF, but I am not convinced. I'll get a focus chart and give a go at calibrating.
The Contrast AF of the liveview use that actual image so it's spot on and bypass the phase AF.
So if there is a differnce then the phase AF is most likely not spot on.
Posted 06/09/2011 - 22:51
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chrissinkpen wrote:
I can see that the images look over exposed to me
Which?
I can see that the images look over exposed to me
Lurking is shirking.!
Posted 06/09/2011 - 22:55
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dougf8 wrote:
Yours looks spot on though.
chrissinkpen wrote:
I can see that the images look over exposed to me
Which?I can see that the images look over exposed to me
Posted 07/09/2011 - 01:52
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pezking wrote:
It could be the AF, but I am not convinced. I'll get a focus chart and give a go at calibrating.
You don't need a focus chart. Just shoot at max aperture ( use your 50/1.4 to start with ) at something with detail in reasonable light and at a 45 degree or so angle. Take a few shots and see if what you are aiming at is in focus or not compared to the focus indicator saying it's in focus.It could be the AF, but I am not convinced. I'll get a focus chart and give a go at calibrating.
I've had a K10D, a K20D and three K-5s ( one went back ) and most of my lenses needed AF calibration on all cams.
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Posted 07/09/2011 - 08:16
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dougf8 wrote:
I feel they look as though some detail has been lost because of the exposure setting. That is how I see it.Of course there are so many variables,I have worked out the settings that work for me and my K7.chrissinkpen wrote:
I can see that the images look over exposed to me
Which?I can see that the images look over exposed to me
Regards
Chris
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I shoot with a few lenses particularly:
Sigma 24-70mm f2.8
Pentax A 50mm f1.7
Sigma 100-300mm (maybe f4-6.7) recently replaced by Pentax DA 55-300mm
I am really struggling to get sharp images with the K7. At first I thought it was just me not being used to the new camera, but now I am not so sure... I am convinced that I took sharper photos with the K100D and currently with the *ist DS.
Could there be something wrong with my camera? Or is there something I am doing wrong?
I am really not happy with my camera right now, and to be honest, having used a Nikon over the weekend which produced much better results I am considering switching...