K5 Sensor Issues...
Posted 17/12/2010 - 18:24
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Well it sounds like some of the Sensor issues are just down to needing a tiny clean but seem to have caused some moral panic. I guess people just think, my camera is new, I should not need to clean it if that was the problem. For other people they may have thought I have a problem i will send it off. Anyway what ever the problem was, is, lets just hope this does not spoil the reputation of such a great camera. I have checked mine about 3 times now and cant see anything wrong with it, so I am happy and lucky I guess. Although Pentax may have been a little slow to sort things out, at least they are addressing it, which is more than can be said for most companies when their is a problem.
Fletcher8.
Posted 17/12/2010 - 18:34
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My dealer told me that the main problem is that most people just
don't know how to take the camera out of the box, even
though there are several videos on youtube showing how to!
don't know how to take the camera out of the box, even
though there are several videos on youtube showing how to!
Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
Posted 17/12/2010 - 19:40
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Algernon wrote:
My dealer told me that the main problem is that most people just
don't know how to take the camera out of the box, even
though there are several videos on youtube showing how to!
Well shame on him for selling technically advanced equipment to people who he knows cant use it
My dealer told me that the main problem is that most people just
don't know how to take the camera out of the box, even
though there are several videos on youtube showing how to!
Posted 17/12/2010 - 20:27
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Don wrote:
Umn. Smeggy....
hate to point this out... but a poll on a brand forum isn't going to be anywhere near representative of the market share.
But you don't know that. - You're just making more assumptionsUmn. Smeggy....
hate to point this out... but a poll on a brand forum isn't going to be anywhere near representative of the market share.
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You can be argumentative if you choose, but unless you are factoring ACTUAL sales and ACTUAL problems all you are doing is guessing, and at that it is very unscientific.
I've never claimed it to be scientific, but the polls at both forums are the ONLY evidence we have. You can be argumentative if you choose, but unless you are factoring ACTUAL sales and ACTUAL problems all you are doing is guessing, and at that it is very unscientific.
It doesn't matter if the non-serious K-5 owner hasn't checked their copy or noticed a fault. The fact is that just over 50% of owners who have answered the polls on both forums have the fault.
Any extrapolation from this, is of course a guesstimate. And yes this could be limited to a couple of early production runs. In fact it's obvious Pentax is going to fix the issue so in the future the number of affected bodies will be close to zero
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the polls are of forum members which do not represent the majority of consumers who bought a camera.
Extrapolating from a Poll of real results, is IMO going to be more accurate than the statement above which is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The camera bodies are going to be sold at random to either series shooters or non-serious shooters. Whatever that means. So there's no reason why the findings of people who frequent forums cannot be extrapolated across the board.the polls are of forum members which do not represent the majority of consumers who bought a camera.
Besides there's probably lots of serious shooters who don't frequent forums as well.
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for example you could take a poll at a party for season ticket holders at an american football leagues pre-season warm up party and come to the conclusion you know who will win the Superbowl... (because they're the most dedicated and often biased fans to poll).
That's not even a close analogy as that poll would be asking peopel to make a prediction, not asking them if there camera actually has a fault.for example you could take a poll at a party for season ticket holders at an american football leagues pre-season warm up party and come to the conclusion you know who will win the Superbowl... (because they're the most dedicated and often biased fans to poll).
Anyway, all I am doing is pointing out the only evidence we have which can be, albeit not perfectly, extrapolated from. in contrast to claims it's only around 5% which has no rationale other than hearsay to support it.
No big deal.
Well it is a big deal... I've a vested interest. I'm about to plunk £1000 down on a K-5 in the next few weeks. I want a handle on the closest to reality of the situation as I can.
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
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Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
Posted 17/12/2010 - 20:50
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Smeggypants wrote:
It doesn't matter if the non-serious K-5 owner hasn't checked their copy or noticed a fault. The fact is that just over 50% of owners who have answered the polls on both forums have the fault.
Any extrapolation from this, is of course a guesstimate. And yes this could be limited to a couple of early production runs. In fact it's obvious Pentax is going to fix the issue so in the future the number of affected bodies will be close to zero
Besides there's probably lots of serious shooters who don't frequent forums as well.
Anyway, all I am doing is pointing out the only evidence we have which can be, albeit not perfectly, extrapolated from. in contrast to claims it's only around 5% which has no rationale other than hearsay to support it.
And there was me thinking Stephan was away for Christmas
Don wrote:
Umn. Smeggy....
hate to point this out... but a poll on a brand forum isn't going to be anywhere near representative of the market share.
But you don't know that. - You're just making more assumptionsUmn. Smeggy....
hate to point this out... but a poll on a brand forum isn't going to be anywhere near representative of the market share.
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You can be argumentative if you choose, but unless you are factoring ACTUAL sales and ACTUAL problems all you are doing is guessing, and at that it is very unscientific.
I've never claimed it to be scientific, but the polls at both forums are the ONLY evidence we have. You can be argumentative if you choose, but unless you are factoring ACTUAL sales and ACTUAL problems all you are doing is guessing, and at that it is very unscientific.
It doesn't matter if the non-serious K-5 owner hasn't checked their copy or noticed a fault. The fact is that just over 50% of owners who have answered the polls on both forums have the fault.
Any extrapolation from this, is of course a guesstimate. And yes this could be limited to a couple of early production runs. In fact it's obvious Pentax is going to fix the issue so in the future the number of affected bodies will be close to zero
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the polls are of forum members which do not represent the majority of consumers who bought a camera.
Extrapolating from a Poll of real results, is IMO going to be more accurate than the statement above which is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The camera bodies are going to be sold at random to either series shooters or non-serious shooters. Whatever that means. So there's no reason why the findings of people who frequent forums cannot be extrapolated across the board.the polls are of forum members which do not represent the majority of consumers who bought a camera.
Besides there's probably lots of serious shooters who don't frequent forums as well.
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for example you could take a poll at a party for season ticket holders at an american football leagues pre-season warm up party and come to the conclusion you know who will win the Superbowl... (because they're the most dedicated and often biased fans to poll).
That's not even a close analogy as that poll would be asking peopel to make a prediction, not asking them if there camera actually has a fault.for example you could take a poll at a party for season ticket holders at an american football leagues pre-season warm up party and come to the conclusion you know who will win the Superbowl... (because they're the most dedicated and often biased fans to poll).
Anyway, all I am doing is pointing out the only evidence we have which can be, albeit not perfectly, extrapolated from. in contrast to claims it's only around 5% which has no rationale other than hearsay to support it.
Posted 17/12/2010 - 21:15
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Mike-P wrote:
C'mon.Give Stephan some credit.... he'd be out there knocking on doors and testing peoples cameras, and documenting his results, as well as producing links to more sites to support his position... to win an argument... wait a minute... where is Stephan?
Smeggypants wrote:
It doesn't matter if the non-serious K-5 owner hasn't checked their copy or noticed a fault. The fact is that just over 50% of owners who have answered the polls on both forums have the fault.
Any extrapolation from this, is of course a guesstimate. And yes this could be limited to a couple of early production runs. In fact it's obvious Pentax is going to fix the issue so in the future the number of affected bodies will be close to zero
Besides there's probably lots of serious shooters who don't frequent forums as well.
Anyway, all I am doing is pointing out the only evidence we have which can be, albeit not perfectly, extrapolated from. in contrast to claims it's only around 5% which has no rationale other than hearsay to support it.
And there was me thinking Stephan was away for Christmas Don wrote:
Umn. Smeggy....
hate to point this out... but a poll on a brand forum isn't going to be anywhere near representative of the market share.
But you don't know that. - You're just making more assumptionsUmn. Smeggy....
hate to point this out... but a poll on a brand forum isn't going to be anywhere near representative of the market share.
Quote:
You can be argumentative if you choose, but unless you are factoring ACTUAL sales and ACTUAL problems all you are doing is guessing, and at that it is very unscientific.
I've never claimed it to be scientific, but the polls at both forums are the ONLY evidence we have. You can be argumentative if you choose, but unless you are factoring ACTUAL sales and ACTUAL problems all you are doing is guessing, and at that it is very unscientific.
It doesn't matter if the non-serious K-5 owner hasn't checked their copy or noticed a fault. The fact is that just over 50% of owners who have answered the polls on both forums have the fault.
Any extrapolation from this, is of course a guesstimate. And yes this could be limited to a couple of early production runs. In fact it's obvious Pentax is going to fix the issue so in the future the number of affected bodies will be close to zero
Quote:
the polls are of forum members which do not represent the majority of consumers who bought a camera.
Extrapolating from a Poll of real results, is IMO going to be more accurate than the statement above which is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The camera bodies are going to be sold at random to either series shooters or non-serious shooters. Whatever that means. So there's no reason why the findings of people who frequent forums cannot be extrapolated across the board.the polls are of forum members which do not represent the majority of consumers who bought a camera.
Besides there's probably lots of serious shooters who don't frequent forums as well.
Quote:
for example you could take a poll at a party for season ticket holders at an american football leagues pre-season warm up party and come to the conclusion you know who will win the Superbowl... (because they're the most dedicated and often biased fans to poll).
That's not even a close analogy as that poll would be asking peopel to make a prediction, not asking them if there camera actually has a fault.for example you could take a poll at a party for season ticket holders at an american football leagues pre-season warm up party and come to the conclusion you know who will win the Superbowl... (because they're the most dedicated and often biased fans to poll).
Anyway, all I am doing is pointing out the only evidence we have which can be, albeit not perfectly, extrapolated from. in contrast to claims it's only around 5% which has no rationale other than hearsay to support it.
Fired many shots. Didn't kill anything.
Posted 17/12/2010 - 21:32
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No idea where Stefan is, but give him credit for caring about what he does. You may or may not agree with him, but he has a passion for his photography and I have to respect that.
Best regards, John
Posted 17/12/2010 - 21:44
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On the other forum the last two posts state that:
========South Africa===================
Wednesday 20101215
The service center confirmed the issue (after trying to clean it again). They advised the agent and I can pickup a new one at the dealer on Friday or Saturday.
Friday 20101217
Stock is 'infected'; agent ordered new stock so I have to wait till after the holiday
=========London====================================
The camera shop which I got my K5 from 2wks ago has returned their entire stock to Pentax. It's a big place too; both mail order and retail.
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Sounds a lot more than 5% to me
========South Africa===================
Wednesday 20101215
The service center confirmed the issue (after trying to clean it again). They advised the agent and I can pickup a new one at the dealer on Friday or Saturday.
Friday 20101217
Stock is 'infected'; agent ordered new stock so I have to wait till after the holiday
=========London====================================
The camera shop which I got my K5 from 2wks ago has returned their entire stock to Pentax. It's a big place too; both mail order and retail.
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link
Sounds a lot more than 5% to me
Half Man... Half Pentax ... Half Cucumber
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
Pentax K-1 + K-5 and some other stuff
Algi
Posted 17/12/2010 - 22:49
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Mike-P wrote:
And there was me thinking Stephan was away for Christmas
Stephan is cool.And there was me thinking Stephan was away for Christmas
I'm flattered
[i]Bodies: 1x K-5IIs, 2x K-5, Sony TX-5, Nokia 808
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
Flash: AF-540FGZ, Vivitar 283
Posted 18/12/2010 - 11:06
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Stefan with an F chaps .
Posted 18/12/2010 - 11:28
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Checked my K5 (early s/n 3827xx from SRS). Sensor is clean but for a few insignificant marks; lesser versions of the ones seen on this forum. I would never have noticed these marks had this topic not been raised and they will present no problem to me in the future because they are essentially invisible. I dare say my istDs and my K-m (great cameras both) have similar marks also - not checked them.
Posted 18/12/2010 - 12:20
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JL wrote:
Checked my K5 (early s/n 3827xx from SRS). Sensor is clean but for a few insignificant marks; lesser versions of the ones seen on this forum. I would never have noticed these marks had this topic not been raised and they will present no problem to me in the future because they are essentially invisible. I dare say my istDs and my K-m (great cameras both) have similar marks also - not checked them.
Please forgive me for what I am going to say but you should think of the future and not only of your present purpose for your camera. You may find that in the future you want to make large scale prints for one reason or the other and it may become then an issue.Checked my K5 (early s/n 3827xx from SRS). Sensor is clean but for a few insignificant marks; lesser versions of the ones seen on this forum. I would never have noticed these marks had this topic not been raised and they will present no problem to me in the future because they are essentially invisible. I dare say my istDs and my K-m (great cameras both) have similar marks also - not checked them.
Also you would have to mention this fault (no matter how small) should you go to sell the camera on (and don't say you never would, as you never know what is around the corner and god forbid but it may be your only way of raising funds), this will significantly lower the resale value of the camera.
That is why I already say that I will not buy a second hand K-5 unless it comes from a retailer where I would get an issue with the camera like this sorted, because you did nothing in the first place about the issue and for me it would be of significant impact of having even the smallest fault on the sensor.
this is why some people already warning for the resale value of the k-5. If you got an issue, no matter how small or insignificant it is to you at the moment, get a clean replacement from SRS, you paid good £££ for your K-5 and should not put up with an issue never mind if it bothers you or not.
I sincerely hope that you take this comment as it is meant to be and not personal at all!
Kind regards
SmutjeUK
It's nice to be nice!
Pentax K-5 with D-GB4 Grip, to many lenses to mention by now (serious LBA by now), TC's, Lowepro Slingshot 300 AW, Manfrotto 028 & Redsnapper RS-283 with various Heads plus various Camera Clamps (I collect them). Pentax AF 360FGZ, Pentax AF 240FT, several Metz 45 CT-1 & 5 with stands and 'Blow Up' Soft Boxes, Flash Triggers, and various Macro gear.
SmutjeUK
It's nice to be nice!
Pentax K-5 with D-GB4 Grip, to many lenses to mention by now (serious LBA by now), TC's, Lowepro Slingshot 300 AW, Manfrotto 028 & Redsnapper RS-283 with various Heads plus various Camera Clamps (I collect them). Pentax AF 360FGZ, Pentax AF 240FT, several Metz 45 CT-1 & 5 with stands and 'Blow Up' Soft Boxes, Flash Triggers, and various Macro gear.
Posted 18/12/2010 - 13:59
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Although I checked this at the shop and when I got it home and reported 'all clear' in the poll... however after about 230 shots:
Compared to on day of purchase (iso6400 so tad noisy):
So back to Jessops I will go... wish me luck.
Compared to on day of purchase (iso6400 so tad noisy):
So back to Jessops I will go... wish me luck.
Alan B
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That'll be 3.5% then
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