K10D battery

mezzanotte1
Posted 20/03/2008 - 22:06 Link
Dont know anything about batteries, but is it wise to use the cheap non Pentax ones. I'm tempted to buy 2, so it's a genuine question.
Chris.
Call me Chris
Pentax KM, P-30, MZ-50, K10D
johnriley
Posted 20/03/2008 - 22:20 Link
The subject has been covered on the forum many times with some people getting on well with generic batteries and others wanting to stick with the Pentax original.

Just be aware that some of the very cheap batteries can be cheap and dangerous fakes and liable to overheat or catch fire. This would certainly invalidate your warramty. The US have issued warnings about cheap LiIon batteries in relation to air travel.
Best regards, John
iceblinker
Posted 20/03/2008 - 22:48 Link
Quote:
Dont know anything about batteries, but is it wise to use the cheap non Pentax ones. I'm tempted to buy 2, so it's a genuine question.
The 7DayShop ones I got seem to be working well with my K10D. They are a reputable supplier.
~Pete
Hyram
Posted 21/03/2008 - 09:07 Link
Quote:
mezzanotte1 wrote:
Dont know anything about batteries, but is it wise to use the cheap non Pentax ones. I'm tempted to buy 2, so it's a genuine question.
The 7DayShop ones I got seem to be working well with my K10D. They are a reputable supplier.
Agreed
Hyram

Bodies: K20D (2), K10D, Super A, ME Super, Auto 110 SLR, X70, Optio P70
Pentax Glass: DA* 300, DA* 60-250, DA* 50-135, DA* 16-50, DA 70 Ltd, FA 31 Ltd, DA 35 Ltd, DA 18-55 (2), DA 12-24, DA 10-17, M 200, A 35-70, M 40, M 28, Converter-A 2X-S, 1.4X-S, AF 1.7, Pentax-110 50, Pentax-110 24
Other Glass: Sigma 105 macro, Sigma-A APO 75-300
Flash: Metz 58 AF-1 P, Pentax AF160FC ringflash, Pentax AF280T
capabilities
Posted 10/04/2008 - 23:11 Link
I found a cheap battery D 150 1750mah on amazon for a little over £6.00.
I have ordered one and will report back when it arives
Mongoose
Posted 11/04/2008 - 17:14 Link
I also use a 7Dayshop battery which I find just as good as the original. I rotate mine in exactly the way John described earlier.

However, John Riley makes a very good point. Lithium Ion is a technology which it is entirely possible to get dangerously wrong, particularly in an attempt to increase capacity. Always buy your batteries from a well known and respected supplier, and personally I would avoid any cheap replacement which claims a significantly higher capacity than the original.


I would add that, unlike Nickel based batteries, Li-Ion batteries like to be kept charged. Actually I think the optimum for long term storage is supposed to be about half charge, but full charge is a lot better than none. Never allow a discharged Li-Ion battery to sit around discharged for longer than you have to.

Li-Ion cells undergo a chemical change when they become dead flat, which would make charging them again dangerous. For this reason all Li-Ion cells include a safety circuit which

1: Cuts the power before the battery is totally drained
and
2: "self destructs" the battery if it ever becomes totally flat (through self discharge from being left "flat" for a long period).

Thankfully since Li-Ion cells have a very slow self discharge rate, you'd probably have to leave them "discharged" for about 6 months to cause trouble, but better safe than sorry.
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duroo72
Posted 11/04/2008 - 20:40 Link
Quote:
I also use a 7Dayshop battery which I find just as good as the original. I rotate mine in exactly the way John described earlier.

However, John Riley makes a very good point. Lithium Ion is a technology which it is entirely possible to get dangerously wrong, particularly in an attempt to increase capacity. Always buy your batteries from a well known and respected supplier, and personally I would avoid any cheap replacement which claims a significantly higher capacity than the original.


I would add that, unlike Nickel based batteries, Li-Ion batteries like to be kept charged. Actually I think the optimum for long term storage is supposed to be about half charge, but full charge is a lot better than none. Never allow a discharged Li-Ion battery to sit around discharged for longer than you have to.

Li-Ion cells undergo a chemical change when they become dead flat, which would make charging them again dangerous. For this reason all Li-Ion cells include a safety circuit which

1: Cuts the power before the battery is totally drained
and
2: "self destructs" the battery if it ever becomes totally flat (through self discharge from being left "flat" for a long period).

Thankfully since Li-Ion cells have a very slow self discharge rate, you'd probably have to leave them "discharged" for about 6 months to cause trouble, but better safe than sorry.
So how long do these 7dayshop batterys take to fully charge?
Hyram
Posted 11/04/2008 - 20:45 Link
Quote:
Mongoose wrote:
I also use a 7Dayshop battery which I find just as good as the original. I rotate mine in exactly the way John described earlier.

However, John Riley makes a very good point. Lithium Ion is a technology which it is entirely possible to get dangerously wrong, particularly in an attempt to increase capacity. Always buy your batteries from a well known and respected supplier, and personally I would avoid any cheap replacement which claims a significantly higher capacity than the original.


I would add that, unlike Nickel based batteries, Li-Ion batteries like to be kept charged. Actually I think the optimum for long term storage is supposed to be about half charge, but full charge is a lot better than none. Never allow a discharged Li-Ion battery to sit around discharged for longer than you have to.

Li-Ion cells undergo a chemical change when they become dead flat, which would make charging them again dangerous. For this reason all Li-Ion cells include a safety circuit which

1: Cuts the power before the battery is totally drained
and
2: "self destructs" the battery if it ever becomes totally flat (through self discharge from being left "flat" for a long period).

Thankfully since Li-Ion cells have a very slow self discharge rate, you'd probably have to leave them "discharged" for about 6 months to cause trouble, but better safe than sorry.
So how long do these 7dayshop batterys take to fully charge?
At a guess, 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours although I have never really timed it
Hyram

Bodies: K20D (2), K10D, Super A, ME Super, Auto 110 SLR, X70, Optio P70
Pentax Glass: DA* 300, DA* 60-250, DA* 50-135, DA* 16-50, DA 70 Ltd, FA 31 Ltd, DA 35 Ltd, DA 18-55 (2), DA 12-24, DA 10-17, M 200, A 35-70, M 40, M 28, Converter-A 2X-S, 1.4X-S, AF 1.7, Pentax-110 50, Pentax-110 24
Other Glass: Sigma 105 macro, Sigma-A APO 75-300
Flash: Metz 58 AF-1 P, Pentax AF160FC ringflash, Pentax AF280T
duroo72
Posted 11/04/2008 - 20:46 Link
ok thanks very much , ordering 2 now!
you guys sure they wont leak or blow up?!!!!
Hyram
Posted 11/04/2008 - 20:48 Link
Quote:
ok thanks very much , ordering 2 now!
you guys sure they wont leak or blow up?!!!!
Not so far
Hyram

Bodies: K20D (2), K10D, Super A, ME Super, Auto 110 SLR, X70, Optio P70
Pentax Glass: DA* 300, DA* 60-250, DA* 50-135, DA* 16-50, DA 70 Ltd, FA 31 Ltd, DA 35 Ltd, DA 18-55 (2), DA 12-24, DA 10-17, M 200, A 35-70, M 40, M 28, Converter-A 2X-S, 1.4X-S, AF 1.7, Pentax-110 50, Pentax-110 24
Other Glass: Sigma 105 macro, Sigma-A APO 75-300
Flash: Metz 58 AF-1 P, Pentax AF160FC ringflash, Pentax AF280T
Mongoose
Posted 11/04/2008 - 20:51 Link
mine has performed exactly more or less identically to the original for the last 14 months. In fact, everything I've ever bought from 7Dayshop has been very impressive in terms of price/quality ratio and absolutely fit for purpose.
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duroo72
Posted 11/04/2008 - 21:16 Link
Quote:
mine has performed exactly more or less identically to the original for the last 14 months. In fact, everything I've ever bought from 7Dayshop has been very impressive in terms of price/quality ratio and absolutely fit for purpose.
ok cheers chaps im now suitably confident!!
Nimitz
Posted 12/04/2008 - 08:30 Link
I got a few spares from ebay seller gadgetinfinity. 5 us$ each....so cheap. And completely the same as the original....

So far worked excellent.

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