K-7 now £799!!

Greytop
Posted 24/01/2010 - 13:06 Link
KZ wrote:
Unlocker wrote:
A K-7 Super definately appeals, what I would like to see in it:-

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- The new sensor from the K-x or better

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- 1080P video @ 24FPS & 30FPS, with ISO control as well as aperture and decent autofocus!

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- Higher ISO performance (which would come with the newer sensor anyway)

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- Small increase in FPS, say 6-7, including flash please! (current K-7 drops from 5FPS to 2-3FPS when flash used)

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- Same body design as it's great, so same grip, but drop the grip price a bit please!

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- GPS built in for geotagging.

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

and a 2 week testing period so I can make you all jealous again!

PS. Excuse the beers, but I would like the autofocus to be a bit faster!
Yes, that would be fine! But fast autofocus needs not only the body but also an upgraded SDM.
Danny might disagree there

I think he and others witnessed one of the preproduction K-7s at SRS performing very impressively with some production SDM lenses.
Much faster than the current K-7 firmware would appear to allow. So the potential appears to be there.
Regards Huw

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KZ
Posted 24/01/2010 - 16:34 Link
Greytop wrote:
KZ wrote:
Unlocker wrote:
A K-7 Super definately appeals, what I would like to see in it:-

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- The new sensor from the K-x or better

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- 1080P video @ 24FPS & 30FPS, with ISO control as well as aperture and decent autofocus!

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- Higher ISO performance (which would come with the newer sensor anyway)

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- Small increase in FPS, say 6-7, including flash please! (current K-7 drops from 5FPS to 2-3FPS when flash used)

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- Same body design as it's great, so same grip, but drop the grip price a bit please!

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

- GPS built in for geotagging.

- FASTER AUTOFOCUS!

and a 2 week testing period so I can make you all jealous again!

PS. Excuse the beers, but I would like the autofocus to be a bit faster!
Yes, that would be fine! But fast autofocus needs not only the body but also an upgraded SDM.
Danny might disagree there

I think he and others witnessed one of the preproduction K-7s at SRS performing very impressively with some production SDM lenses.
Much faster than the current K-7 firmware would appear to allow. So the potential appears to be there.
Ok, maybe a firmware upgrade would be enough, i don't know... but somewhere the development is really necessary.
pink
Posted 24/01/2010 - 17:55 Link
which camera system has the fastest autofocus.

Or is it just down to the lens ?? and firmware ??

James

I'M HAPPY WITH THE SPEED OF MY K20D BUT I DONT SHOOT FOR SPEED


James
Mike-P
Posted 24/01/2010 - 18:01 Link
pink wrote:
which camera system has the fastest autofocus.

Or is it just down to the lens ?? and firmware ??
At the moment, out of the main brands (and sub 2k price) probably Nikon has the fastest and most accurate autofocus.
Unlocker
Posted 25/01/2010 - 01:58 Link
Greytop wrote:

I think he and others witnessed one of the preproduction K-7s at SRS performing very impressively with some production SDM lenses.
Much faster than the current K-7 firmware would appear to allow. So the potential appears to be there.
Sure did, my 60-250 was at least twice as fast on one of the bodies!

PS, Sober now!
Mike-P
Posted 25/01/2010 - 06:49 Link
Maybe they decided to slow it down because it would make the SDM even more susceptible to breakdown
Shaky
Posted 25/01/2010 - 07:11 Link
Or maybe it was because large chunks of the pre-production firmware contained code that was proprietary to Samsung, which subsequently had to be pulled when the relationship broke down?

Certainly the Photo Rumors.com site carried stories of the imminent arrival of what with hindsight appeared to closely resemble a Samsung branded K7 until very late in the day, that then inexplicably failed to materialise.
Greytop
Posted 25/01/2010 - 08:30 Link
Either could be a possibility but I would say the MTBF of SDM is the more likely.
Regards Huw

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hefty1
Posted 25/01/2010 - 10:22 Link
I hate to put a damper on such imaginative rumours but the most likely cause was a faulty battery putting out too many volts - you got faster AF but it would have fried the camera before too long...
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K10D
Posted 25/01/2010 - 10:37 Link
hefty1 wrote:
I hate to put a damper on such imaginative rumours but the most likely cause was a faulty battery putting out too many volts - you got faster AF but it would have fried the camera before too long...
Interesting comment about higher voltage. Lithium cells are pretty "fixed chemistry", any links or examples of this being verified?

Regards
Too far from a shore.
Shaky
Posted 25/01/2010 - 10:37 Link
I don't believe the explanation I put forward is anywhere near as farfetched as you imply, Hefty.

I would point to the episode where the apparently useable movie mode autofocus in pre-production models was subsequently canned. The only explanation proffered from a nameless executive was that the feature wasn't supposed to be available; undoubtedly a strong contender for the lamest corporate excuse of the decade, and in my view a strong indication of strange firmware goings on.
hefty1
Posted 25/01/2010 - 10:40 Link
Nope, just a hunch based on the fact these batteries were "new" for the K7 (unlike the K10/20 cells which were tried and tested on Minoltas previously) and if experience of electronics in general has taught me anything then it's that "new" very often equals "unpredictable".
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johnriley
Posted 25/01/2010 - 10:42 Link
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I would point to the episode where the apparently useable movie mode autofocus in pre-production models was subsequently canned. The only explanation proffered from a nameless executive was that the feature wasn't supposed to be available
I would interpret this as a feature that was catered for in the firmware but not yet activated because it wasn't ready for release. This could be because it was not yet fully tested. There could be many unreleased and/or undeveloped possibilities hidden withing the firmware. I don't find a conspiracy in this, although some do like conspiracy theories.
Best regards, John
hefty1
Posted 25/01/2010 - 10:44 Link
Shaky wrote:
I don't believe the explanation I put forward is anywhere near as farfetched as you imply, Hefty.

I would point to the episode where the apparently useable movie mode autofocus in pre-production models was subsequently canned. The only explanation proffered from a nameless executive was that the feature wasn't supposed to be available; undoubtedly a strong contender for the lamest corporate excuse of the decade, and in my view a strong indication of strange firmware goings on.
I'm not saying it's impossible or even particularly far-fetched, I just think that the simplest explanation often turns out to be the right one.

Pentax have a track record of holding back firmware features it's true (wireless flash on the K10D springs to mind) but in this case I'm more inclined to believe in a cock-up than a conspiracy to be honest.
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K10D
Posted 25/01/2010 - 10:44 Link
hefty1 wrote:
Nope, just a hunch based on the fact these batteries were "new" for the K7 (unlike the K10/20 cells which were tried and tested on Minoltas previously) and if experience of electronics in general has taught me anything then it's that "new" very often equals "unpredictable".
It may be a simpler reason. This is all new to Pentax. SDM issues are the last thing needed when you launch a new breed.

Nikon and Canon have had their issues over the years. They have just been doing it longer.

I believe that the lenses should be the selling point for Pentax, supported by an affordable DSLR that does what the mark does best, make people proud to own it and produce the results.

Regards
Too far from a shore.

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