J.Peg or Raw
Posted 17/06/2010 - 11:00
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I paid good money for my DSLRs, as I want the best quality and low noise.
Why would I want to select JPEG and throw information away.
I shoot 99% DNG Raw. If In am running out of card space I may reluctantly switch to JPEG. I see the arguments for using JPEG where high Frames per Second are required.
If you want the best Low Light/High ISO noise performance, then Raw is required. Have a look at in-depth tests on Pentax DSLRs, you will see that in Raw, they perform equal to Nikons and Canons, at high ISO.
Why would I want to select JPEG and throw information away.
I shoot 99% DNG Raw. If In am running out of card space I may reluctantly switch to JPEG. I see the arguments for using JPEG where high Frames per Second are required.
If you want the best Low Light/High ISO noise performance, then Raw is required. Have a look at in-depth tests on Pentax DSLRs, you will see that in Raw, they perform equal to Nikons and Canons, at high ISO.
Friendly Regards
Graham
Graham
Posted 17/06/2010 - 12:00
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For k-7 jpeg shooters what are the jpeg setthings adjustments you guys use ?
Posted 17/06/2010 - 14:19
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johnriley wrote:
+1 sharpness
Natural
sRGB
Daylight WB
I don't see any reason to change John's settings from one model to another.
+1 sharpness
Natural
sRGB
Daylight WB
Best regards
Terry
K20D, Optio I10, DA 18-55 1:3.5-5.6 AL II, A 1:1.7/50, D FA 1:2.8/100 Macro, Sigma 70-300 1:4-5.6 APO DG Macro, Pentax AF 360FGZ
Terry
K20D, Optio I10, DA 18-55 1:3.5-5.6 AL II, A 1:1.7/50, D FA 1:2.8/100 Macro, Sigma 70-300 1:4-5.6 APO DG Macro, Pentax AF 360FGZ
Posted 17/06/2010 - 15:29
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terje-l wrote:
johnriley wrote:
+1 sharpness
Natural
sRGB
Daylight WB
I don't see any reason to change John's settings from one model to another.+1 sharpness
Natural
sRGB
Daylight WB
My settings from k200d to k7 seems pretty diferent... that's I was asking
Posted 17/06/2010 - 18:53
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Thank you for all the replies, on my KM the settings are Vibrant with adjustments to Hue , and saturation, D-range on, sharpness to fine +3,using J-peg, at 10mpx and quality at 3 star and that's about it.
Thank you all again for replying to my post,have a blameless weekend, and enjoy the weather & your photography.
Paul
Thank you all again for replying to my post,have a blameless weekend, and enjoy the weather & your photography.
Paul
Pentax K10d, KM, kit lens 18-55,Sigma 28-80, Sigma 55-200, Sigma70/300 APO , Tamron 400mm Prime, Cosinon 135 prime,Ricoh 55mm.
Posted 18/06/2010 - 08:14
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wadna wrote:
What I am unsure about is what your point is Stefan.
I'm not sure I understand either, that link just seems to confirm that JPG is the best option for long bursts.
Anvh wrote:
I'm sure I'm sure.wadna wrote:
I use RAW all the time for the flexibility & what I can get out of a file but at sport on 5fps I'm inclined to go with jpg.
You sure? linkI use RAW all the time for the flexibility & what I can get out of a file but at sport on 5fps I'm inclined to go with jpg.
What I am unsure about is what your point is Stefan.
you don't have to be mad to post here
but it does help
but it does help
Posted 18/06/2010 - 11:01
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Mongoose wrote:
What I am unsure about is what your point is Stefan.
I'm not sure I understand either, that link just seems to confirm that JPG is the best option for long bursts.[/quote]I think the point was that it was only very marginal.
wadna wrote:
I'm sure I'm sure.Anvh wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="wadna"]I use RAW all the time for the flexibility & what I can get out of a file but at sport on 5fps I'm inclined to go with jpg.
You sure? link[quote:3496ace15f="wadna"]I use RAW all the time for the flexibility & what I can get out of a file but at sport on 5fps I'm inclined to go with jpg.
What I am unsure about is what your point is Stefan.
If you can't say something nice about Pentax, you won't say anything at all.
Apparently.
Apparently.
Posted 18/06/2010 - 12:17
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Mongoose wrote:
What I am unsure about is what your point is Stefan.
I'm not sure I understand either, that link just seems to confirm that JPG is the best option for long bursts.[/quote]Exactly. The K-7 processes a lot faster than my old *istD did but it's certainly not in 7D territory so being able to clear the buffer more quickly by using jpg has an advantage.
wadna wrote:
I'm sure I'm sure.Anvh wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="wadna"]I use RAW all the time for the flexibility & what I can get out of a file but at sport on 5fps I'm inclined to go with jpg.
You sure? link[quote:3496ace15f="wadna"]I use RAW all the time for the flexibility & what I can get out of a file but at sport on 5fps I'm inclined to go with jpg.
What I am unsure about is what your point is Stefan.
Posted 18/06/2010 - 18:19
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"I paid good money for my DSLRs, as I want the best quality and low noise.
Why would I want to select JPEG and throw information away"
Just because one option has the 'higher' numbers or the higher bit count is totally irrelevant if the viewer of the photo is totally unable to see them.....
You might buy a Ferrari which is clearly FAR superior to a Ford Focus, but you will never get anything like the performance available out of the Ferrari under 95% of UK road conditions...likewise under many shooting conditions AND depending on how the finished photo is enlarged/printed/displayed, a RAW shot may be totally pointless unless the finished article can show the possible RAW improvement.
Do not be fooled by numbers or test conditions, as many cameras & lenses can be seen to perform quite differently in real world useage.
Why would I want to select JPEG and throw information away"
Just because one option has the 'higher' numbers or the higher bit count is totally irrelevant if the viewer of the photo is totally unable to see them.....
You might buy a Ferrari which is clearly FAR superior to a Ford Focus, but you will never get anything like the performance available out of the Ferrari under 95% of UK road conditions...likewise under many shooting conditions AND depending on how the finished photo is enlarged/printed/displayed, a RAW shot may be totally pointless unless the finished article can show the possible RAW improvement.
Do not be fooled by numbers or test conditions, as many cameras & lenses can be seen to perform quite differently in real world useage.
Posted 18/06/2010 - 19:43
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I have always thought that JPEG is for experts, and RAW for amateurs and newbies.
It's all about nailing exposure. If you can be confident that you will get the exposure right every time, use JPEG. If not, use RAW.
I use RAW.
G
It's all about nailing exposure. If you can be confident that you will get the exposure right every time, use JPEG. If not, use RAW.
I use RAW.
G
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Posted 18/06/2010 - 21:07
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George Lazarette wrote:
I have always thought that JPEG is for experts, and RAW for amateurs and newbies.
It's all about nailing exposure. If you can be confident that you will get the exposure right every time, use JPEG. If not, use RAW.
I use RAW.
G
Yep. That about says it for me. With the proviso that if you do lots of mixed light work, it can be handy to alter White Balance later (if you get it wrong). And with RAW files, there's definitely more information retained in highlights which may be recovered on a computer.I have always thought that JPEG is for experts, and RAW for amateurs and newbies.
It's all about nailing exposure. If you can be confident that you will get the exposure right every time, use JPEG. If not, use RAW.
I use RAW.
G
But it's such a fag and processing is so slow I can never be bothered. (Second rate photographer, I suppose!)
Best wishes,
Andrew
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Andrew
"These places mean something and it's the job of a photographer to figure-out what the hell it is."
Robert Adams
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE."
Ernst Hass
My website: http://www.ephotozine.com/user/bwlchmawr-199050
http://s927.photobucket.com/home/ADC3440/index
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78898196@N05
Posted 18/06/2010 - 21:56
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George: I can't agree with that. RAW gives control and choices while JPEG is like a slide requiring I agree excellent technique but is the finished article. As in the darkroom RAW lets you make slight adjustments that can alter the whole way the image is finished.
Andrew: Damn sure Ansel Adams didn't find his PP a fag. Damn sure Bill Brandt didn't either. HCB did and relied on his technicians to process his B&W as I recall but took a different line to the first two. If I'm wrong then I'll happily be corrected and learn.
For me it's a lot about aspirations. I aspire to solid technique to permit my creative side more freedom.
Mike
Andrew: Damn sure Ansel Adams didn't find his PP a fag. Damn sure Bill Brandt didn't either. HCB did and relied on his technicians to process his B&W as I recall but took a different line to the first two. If I'm wrong then I'll happily be corrected and learn.
For me it's a lot about aspirations. I aspire to solid technique to permit my creative side more freedom.
Mike
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Except for card space (which lets face it is pretty cheap) it's the best of both worlds.
but it does help