is it doomed


stu62

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 16:44
so here we are in 2018 nearly half way through the year
tamron and sigma are bringing out new lenses at prices that you dont have to see the bank manager for
and what are ricoh/pentax doing to be honist sweet F A
there should be support for the pk fit with 3rd party lenses on par with the other 2 names but no
there should be big improvments in the pentax cameras no
infact there should be members off the ricoh /pentax team on this forum but no
so i think it may be time to move on

Algernon

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 17:17
Nikon, Canon and particularly expensive Sony would LOVE to know how to stop 3rd party lens manufacturers making lenses for their systems. Undercutting prices and forcing down what they could charge if they had a game called Monopoly

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JAK

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 17:53
Once you've bought the lenses you want for your camera, if you're happy with them does it really matter if new versions come out or not. The lenses you have shouldn't suddenly stop working (certain SDMs excepted!)
Stu, have you bought all the current ones yet? 15-30, 24-70, 28-105, 70-200, 150-450, 560 for FF and the counltess APS-C ones? If not what are you waiting for? Practically every focal length is available in zooms and primes so a new lens needs to be pretty special, not an every week event.
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Last Edited by JAK on 19/05/2018 - 17:57

Mike-P

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 19:01
If you aren't happy with the way Ricoh are going then vote with your wallet and change systems to one that does. Many many people have done just that and to be honest I think that has probably hit the brand quite hard, there have been a lot of very good photographers leave over the years and it's still happening.

Personally I think the best way forward for Ricoh now would be to do more lens collaborations with Tamron (and maybe others) to get the glass out that people want and also concentrate on getting AF up to speed because despite what others may say it's hurting Pentax sales badly especially when virtually every review you read mentions it as a problem.
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theonenadeem

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 19:40
Tamron have only recently released their first lens in Sony mount.
They have yet to release a lens for Fuji or m4/3

Sigma have 0 zoom lens for Sony , m4/3 and Fuji
Some primes for Sony.

Its not just Pentax that lacks 3rd party support

Regards

stu62

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 20:14
[quote:3496ace15f="Mike-P"]If you aren't happy with the way Ricoh are going then vote with your wallet and change systems to one that does. Many many people have done just that and to be honest I think that has probably hit the brand quite hard, there have been a lot of very good photographers leave over the years and it's still happening.

i can rember when you could walk into any camera shop and ask for a lens in pk fit be it auto focus or manual and they would have one on the shelf
and the auto focus would work quickly and hold focus and here we are 20years on and they dont hold focus like they use to they use poor parts and when they go wrong they dont want to know with the lens moters
rumors have it wether it is true or not that they are useing the same moter from the 17/70 in one off the full frame lenses which cost in the region of 4 figuers

they can seem to get mediam format right but they cant get any thing else right
are they to scared to come out off there ivory towers and talk to the people that use them not the bloody tec boffins that havent got a clue like the bloody accountants which are ruining companys left right and center

sorry if im being a bit blut

cabstar

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 22:00
Mike-P wrote:


Personally I think the best way forward for Ricoh now would be to do more lens collaborations with Tamron (and maybe others) to get the glass out that people want and also concentrate on getting AF up to speed because despite what others may say it's hurting Pentax sales badly especially when virtually every review you read mentions it as a problem.

I recently picked up the k1 mkii at the photography show and was stunned at how slow it was overall, by the time I had clicked a frame off I could have taken around 30 frames with the Sony. They really do need to work on the speed aspect it's not just AF speed, why didn't they use the latest high-speed UHS-II SD cards? Or why did they stick to USB 2 port? Or even increase the buffer beyond 17 frames and that's before the pathetic frame rate speeds.

This is what is crippling Pentax, I would love to get a Pentax FF the build and ergonomics are excellent but I'm not shooting landscapes so it's just not an option for me at this time.
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stub

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 23:07
cabstar wrote:
Mike-P wrote:


Personally I think the best way forward for Ricoh now would be to do more lens collaborations with Tamron (and maybe others) to get the glass out that people want and also concentrate on getting AF up to speed because despite what others may say it's hurting Pentax sales badly especially when virtually every review you read mentions it as a problem.

I recently picked up the k1 mkii at the photography show and was stunned at how slow it was overall, by the time I had clicked a frame off I could have taken around 30 frames with the Sony. They really do need to work on the speed aspect it's not just AF speed, why didn't they use the latest high-speed UHS-II SD cards? Or why did they stick to USB 2 port? Or even increase the buffer beyond 17 frames and that's before the pathetic frame rate speeds.

This is what is crippling Pentax, I would love to get a Pentax FF the build and ergonomics are excellent but I'm not shooting landscapes so it's just not an option for me at this time.

Sorry but I too have to agree with these comments.. All these could have been fairly simple upgrades to the K1 ii.. Not the
pixel shift improvement..


As far as lenses go I also think there wont be large numbers released. Mainly because the DSLR market is dwindling for all manufacturers.. Still many K1 users are using film lenses. Being deterred by new lens costs.


Ricoh / Pentax have totally missed the boat in the video market. Which will also deter sales.. I am very much at a loss to see where the company want to go with there mission. But we have to give the company a chance. Having been very much mismanaged by its previous two owners, left insecure and unstructured.
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Stuart..

RobL

Link Posted 19/05/2018 - 23:35
At the end of the day itís the quality of the image produced that counts, and you will find that Pentax is rated better than Sony and probably others as well resulting in users changing to Pentax as well as the reverse for other reasons. I would rather have one outstanding image than thirty so-so ones. Ricoh have stated that their new lenses are to be better than Sigma Art lenses and equivalent to Zeiss; Pentax has the widest range of APS-C lenses of all manufacturers and go check how many others offer both SR and WR in their lenses, surprisingly few out of their range. So what are you moaning about?

davidwozhere

Link Posted 20/05/2018 - 01:42
Stub wrote ... "Still many K1 users are using film lenses. Being deterred by new lens costs. "

I can never understand the need for the latest gadgetry and even less the way "film lenses" get put down as yesterday's technology. If it isn't all automated and spoon fed onto the card like greased lightning it gets decried as not being up to the job. OK, so I had to input the parameters manually, sneak up close to the thing and, horror of horror, focus it by hand ! But what's wrong with this? A Canikon in machine gun mode would have scared it off instantly!




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JForeigner

Link Posted 20/05/2018 - 05:57
Sadly I am one that is starting to move to another brand.

There is no one main reason for the move. A lack of lens choice, a lack of choice in general, and the AF is what has done it for me. I wanted a 70-200 f2.8 in the days of my K10. I am pretty sure Pentax did not do one back then, hence a Tamron. I do a lot of dusk and night work, I ended up with a 18-35 Sigma Art lens for speed and being sharp wide open. Again something Pentax does not do. Yes, I have read the reviews about the K1. The only choice you get in in this format, I really want one, but I am not convinced that it is the right choice. Each of us has a choice and desire to what they want to take pictures of, and Pentax is not covering the area's I have an interest in. Do I know what another brand is like to use? Yes, I brought a second hand Canon 400mm and a 7D, and to be honest, my K3's AF is way behind it, even though the Canon is older. I prefer the sensor in the K3, and it's output. But the Canon's AF is fast, and accurate, unlike my K3 which has a couple of goes at getting it right before it is happy.

Tethering is something I would also love to be able to do with my K3.

I really want to stay with this brand as my main choice, but I really can't see it happening. I will keep my K3, and Q. I have picked up an old K mount camera, as well as owning a K1000. I am sure I will buy bits for them, but nothing brand new. So I am not leaving the brand, I am no longer investing in anything new with the company unless there are some real changes.

Not to be a negative post, but I do really love the feel and the in the hand experience of my K3, as well as the dual input wheels, backwards compatibility, and the hot shoe mountable o-gps1 for night work.

Regards

Gary
Armed with a K3, some M, A, FA, DA, and star lens. With an eye open for "just one more lens".

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richandfleur

Link Posted 20/05/2018 - 06:46
Both the K-1 and K-3 cameras have Mark II tweaked versions of the original core product.

Both are excellent cameras for their key subject areas, but are looking at bit old given its Q2 2018 now.

Landscapes seem to be the K-1s target area, but I donít know why you need an optical viewfinder for those? It should do nice portraits also, but doesnít have eye AF unfortunately.

The K-3 is honestly a beast and I love it, but once Again itís better at static static stills as there is limited tracking AF.

Anyhow, both seem due for a major upgrade. The mkii K-1 didnít address any of the obvious points like burst rate etc. Not sure what the K-3 would improve on, outside of real tracking AF and video capabilities.

Does seem a long time between drinks at times.

Kevriano

Link Posted 20/05/2018 - 07:41
I've gone to Nikon/Tamron for wildlife shooting, and I couldn't go back, it's just better, faster for birds in flight, and the 600mm reach on the Tamron makes a huge difference for my type of shooting. It's sharp as a tack too.
I will be keeping my K3 for Macro, landscapes and everything else though, still the best camera I've owned. I've gone to Sigma for most lenses, other than the 2.8 Macro, as Pentax lens prices are too high, just purely due to supply and demand reasons. I recently sold my 150 450 for more than I paid 2 years ago, partly because I got a great deal at the time, but also because it's now a 2k lens, more than I paid for my Nikon 7500 and Tamron 150 600 together.
K3, K3 II, 100MM 2.8 Macro, Sigma 10-20 3.5, Sigma 17-50 2.8, Nikon D7500, Tamron 150 600 G2

Algernon

Link Posted 20/05/2018 - 08:25
Stop moaning and go and take some photographs

Nothing beats Pentax for that

Just like this man found out when he photographed some butterflies using a K-3ii

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https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4281981

Or this man this at a fashion show (note all at f/2.8 )

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4284156

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Algi
Last Edited by Algernon on 20/05/2018 - 08:30

johnriley

Link Posted 20/05/2018 - 09:39
Quote:
I wanted a 70-200 f2.8 in the days of my K10

But Pentax did offer one appropriate for the format, and still do. The D-FA 70-200mm f/2.8 is new and for full frame, but the DA* 50-135mm f/2.8 is the equivalent field of view for APS-C format and has been available for a very long time.
Best regards, John
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