External Hard Drive recommendations?
Posted 19/01/2009 - 18:57
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Thanks John & Shim. I will hopefully order a new hard drive and housing at the end of the month. I currently have no method of backing up my photos other than DVD so need to sort this out. My PC is starting to get quite slow at times and I am concerned that if it's the hard drive I will lose everything.
Steve
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Posted 19/01/2009 - 19:39
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Proper backup software like Acronis True Image is good for compressing the backup, or for ensuring absolutely all system & hidden files are included when backing up Windows.
But when I don't need any of that, I just copy stuff manually or use XCOPY. I didn't know about the "/clone" switch. Thanks for that, Mr Shim.
But when I don't need any of that, I just copy stuff manually or use XCOPY. I didn't know about the "/clone" switch. Thanks for that, Mr Shim.
~Pete
Posted 20/01/2009 - 09:21
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iceblinker wrote:
Proper backup software like Acronis True Image is good for compressing the backup, or for ensuring absolutely all system & hidden files are included when backing up Windows.
But when I don't need any of that, I just copy stuff manually or use XCOPY. I didn't know about the "/clone" switch. Thanks for that, Mr Shim.
Image files are fine, I still use Drive Image, but Acronis is said to be one of the best. The only disadvantage is that you need the original software to access the files, if it was compressed and the following backup takes as long as the first. On restore it can be a pain in the butt if you spend hours deleting files that you don't want and then they all get copied back from an image All the software above just copies any new or changed files over and deletes any that no longer exist on your main drive. I'm quite sure they all ask you to confirm this. One massive advantage of image files is that they preserve the Directory dates, something that copying does not.Proper backup software like Acronis True Image is good for compressing the backup, or for ensuring absolutely all system & hidden files are included when backing up Windows.
But when I don't need any of that, I just copy stuff manually or use XCOPY. I didn't know about the "/clone" switch. Thanks for that, Mr Shim.
Pete it's XXCopy not XCopy... Free for personal use. You have to pay for the network version, but it's a lot better than XCopy or MS Robocopy (included with the Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit) which is the industry standard for backing up across networks.
shim
Posted 23/01/2009 - 18:16
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Anvh wrote:
Thank you Lilly, glad it was helpfull and no worries about the 3 topics running
You also posted also in the other topic but will combine them into one here.
The WD studio is formatted for MAC but you can easly chance that so that it works on Windows so no worries there. You simply need to Format the disk to another kind of sytem file. MAC use HFS+ and Microsft use NTFS
Now about the connections, there is a nice table here link
if you have normall firewire, USB2 would be faster but like Shim said you can buy PCI cards with eSATA that you can connect to your motheroard.
eSATA card you can also save money like Pete said and get the cable I showed you link but that won't be Plug & play like he said
To give you some times, your backup of 75GB (76 800MB) will take theoratically;
USB2 = 21 minutes
Firewire 400 = 26 minutes
Firewrie 800 = 13 mintues
eSATA = 4.5 minutes
Like I said these are theoratical numbers, so it will take some longer in the real world.
I have purchased the WD Passport 320GB from Amazon which arrived today, after reading the reviews on amazon, it was recommended to delete all the SW especially the WD Sync Sw that came with it if you just want to use it for an EHD, which I do.Thank you Lilly, glad it was helpfull and no worries about the 3 topics running
You also posted also in the other topic but will combine them into one here.
The WD studio is formatted for MAC but you can easly chance that so that it works on Windows so no worries there. You simply need to Format the disk to another kind of sytem file. MAC use HFS+ and Microsft use NTFS
Now about the connections, there is a nice table here link
if you have normall firewire, USB2 would be faster but like Shim said you can buy PCI cards with eSATA that you can connect to your motheroard.
eSATA card you can also save money like Pete said and get the cable I showed you link but that won't be Plug & play like he said
To give you some times, your backup of 75GB (76 800MB) will take theoratically;
USB2 = 21 minutes
Firewire 400 = 26 minutes
Firewrie 800 = 13 mintues
eSATA = 4.5 minutes
Like I said these are theoratical numbers, so it will take some longer in the real world.
I plugged it in and TG did not automatically download any SW. Tried to copy over a folder to test and no probs, but wd not let me delete said folder.
I am not very au fait with these things - it has been suggested that I just format the WD Passport EHD via my Windows XP converter FAT32 to NFTS which will make life a lot simplier, this seems logical - I am correct in doing this?
PS) if I do format it, do I check boxes 'Quick Format' or 'Enable Compression' ot neither? please?
Lilly
Posted 23/01/2009 - 18:45
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For back up software I find Comodo BackUp http://backup.comodo.com/ to be excellent it has a no frills UI but it certainly gets the job done. Easy to set up and best of all it's free
Posted 23/01/2009 - 18:53
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#Thank Grey Top but I dont really want any back up SW at all, I am quite happy just copying over 'My Docs' once a week. Just want to know if I reformat it as above, it will be OK?
Lilly
Lilly
Posted 23/01/2009 - 19:56
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Quick format does not check the disc, so I would not use it especially the first time. "Enable compression" will mean you can get more on the disc, but it will take longer to read or write. Unless you are going to be tight on space, I'd leave this unticked as well.
Posted 23/01/2009 - 19:58
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Reformat NFTS and yes Lilly a Quick format will be fine and do not tick Enable Compression
Tel,
Posted 23/01/2009 - 20:58
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Format to NFTS like Terry said, it gives you the most options and if you delete something you have a fair change to recover that if needed
Posted 23/01/2009 - 21:19
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Sorry, can I make sure the general concencus is:
I should leave the 'quick format' & 'enable compression' boxes -
both UNTICKED ? as it is a new external Hard Drive.
thanks Lilly
I should leave the 'quick format' & 'enable compression' boxes -
both UNTICKED ? as it is a new external Hard Drive.
thanks Lilly
Posted 23/01/2009 - 22:35
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I'd suggest so. Do NOT do Quick Format, and DO NOT enable compression. If most of your backup things are pictures / music / films etc, they won't be compressed much (if at all), it will slow down the copying process.
Kind regards,
Michal R. Hoffmann
K20D, DA 16-45mm, A 50mm F/1:1.4, DA 55-300mm; flash Pentax AF240Z
Michal R. Hoffmann
K20D, DA 16-45mm, A 50mm F/1:1.4, DA 55-300mm; flash Pentax AF240Z
Posted 23/01/2009 - 22:45
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Echoing said before
My computer>right click on drive>selsect format
When format window appears
capaciry- size
File system- options FAT32 or NTFS ,NTFS is better
Allocation unit size- leave it default size
Volume name- any name can be given
Format options
tick box quick format
enable compression- do not tick
click start.
same location can be reached via Right click my computer icon>click manage>click disk management>right click on the drive name and select format, this method shows all the drive in system.
best wishes
My computer>right click on drive>selsect format
When format window appears
capaciry- size
File system- options FAT32 or NTFS ,NTFS is better
Allocation unit size- leave it default size
Volume name- any name can be given
Format options
tick box quick format
enable compression- do not tick
click start.
same location can be reached via Right click my computer icon>click manage>click disk management>right click on the drive name and select format, this method shows all the drive in system.
best wishes
Posted 24/01/2009 - 07:16
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As usual I'm baffled. I thought the passport was plug and play.
Read the quick start instructions but at heart.
Plug it in the USB port, decline any offers of installing software on the autorun
Copy a test folder - and if that fails then something is badly wrong. Stop at that stage.
Then create a subfolder and move all the stuff in the top/root folder on the Passport to that folder probably including the thing called autorun.
I think you're using a PC so the Passport should be recognised as a new USB drive and you should be able to use it right away. If not I think there's something wrong.
I would emphatically not reformat it - the installation instructions don't tell you to do this do they?
I've presumably misunderstood something as you're making this sound way too complicated.
Mike
Read the quick start instructions but at heart.
Plug it in the USB port, decline any offers of installing software on the autorun
Copy a test folder - and if that fails then something is badly wrong. Stop at that stage.
Then create a subfolder and move all the stuff in the top/root folder on the Passport to that folder probably including the thing called autorun.
I think you're using a PC so the Passport should be recognised as a new USB drive and you should be able to use it right away. If not I think there's something wrong.
I would emphatically not reformat it - the installation instructions don't tell you to do this do they?
I've presumably misunderstood something as you're making this sound way too complicated.
Mike
Posted 24/01/2009 - 09:17
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Lilly wrote:
I plugged it in and TG did not automatically download any SW. Tried to copy over a folder to test and no probs, but wd not let me delete said folder.
I am not very au fait with these things - it has been suggested that I just format the WD Passport EHD via my Windows XP converter FAT32 to NFTS which will make life a lot simplier, this seems logical - I am correct in doing this?
PS) if I do format it, do I check boxes 'Quick Format' or 'Enable Compression' ot neither? please?
Lilly
Hello Lilly,Anvh wrote:
Thank you Lilly, glad it was helpfull and no worries about the 3 topics running
You also posted also in the other topic but will combine them into one here.
The WD studio is formatted for MAC but you can easly chance that so that it works on Windows so no worries there. You simply need to Format the disk to another kind of sytem file. MAC use HFS+ and Microsft use NTFS
Now about the connections, there is a nice table here link
if you have normall firewire, USB2 would be faster but like Shim said you can buy PCI cards with eSATA that you can connect to your motheroard.
eSATA card you can also save money like Pete said and get the cable I showed you link but that won't be Plug & play like he said
To give you some times, your backup of 75GB (76 800MB) will take theoratically;
USB2 = 21 minutes
Firewire 400 = 26 minutes
Firewrie 800 = 13 mintues
eSATA = 4.5 minutes
Like I said these are theoratical numbers, so it will take some longer in the real world.
I have purchased the WD Passport 320GB from Amazon which arrived today, after reading the reviews on amazon, it was recommended to delete all the SW especially the WD Sync Sw that came with it if you just want to use it for an EHD, which I do.Thank you Lilly, glad it was helpfull and no worries about the 3 topics running
You also posted also in the other topic but will combine them into one here.
The WD studio is formatted for MAC but you can easly chance that so that it works on Windows so no worries there. You simply need to Format the disk to another kind of sytem file. MAC use HFS+ and Microsft use NTFS
Now about the connections, there is a nice table here link
if you have normall firewire, USB2 would be faster but like Shim said you can buy PCI cards with eSATA that you can connect to your motheroard.
eSATA card you can also save money like Pete said and get the cable I showed you link but that won't be Plug & play like he said
To give you some times, your backup of 75GB (76 800MB) will take theoratically;
USB2 = 21 minutes
Firewire 400 = 26 minutes
Firewrie 800 = 13 mintues
eSATA = 4.5 minutes
Like I said these are theoratical numbers, so it will take some longer in the real world.
I plugged it in and TG did not automatically download any SW. Tried to copy over a folder to test and no probs, but wd not let me delete said folder.
I am not very au fait with these things - it has been suggested that I just format the WD Passport EHD via my Windows XP converter FAT32 to NFTS which will make life a lot simplier, this seems logical - I am correct in doing this?
PS) if I do format it, do I check boxes 'Quick Format' or 'Enable Compression' ot neither? please?
Lilly
If your PC has not had Windows XP installed using NTFS and and your HDD's set up as NTFS, this could be the problem!
XP is designed to use the NTFS system, and although it might work, it wont work efficiently if your HDD's are not using NTFS!
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Choose whether you want to Copy,Move, Synchronize, Mirror etc. and Copysynch does it in seconds. Jobs can be saved and run again.
Xxcopy also free, is an extremely powerfull Command Line or Batch File copier that can do just about anything. The command:
XXCOPY C: J: /CLONE will clone one drive to the other whilst you continue working on the computer (if you wish).
I've been using Traditional Backup software for years (Norton, Seagate etc.) It was needed with floppy, cd, dvd, tape spanning and you had to put up with it's faults (can't restore the files without the backup program etc.) but it's no longer needed for HD to HD backups. It's easier to just clone the dirs. you want by copying them over. It can be done initially using Explorer. Even easier than Explorer is the NT4 version of
Windows Filemanager. Vista users see here on how to get and install winfile.exe. Xp users just get the 32 bit winfile.exe from that link and put it in your Windows dir. This allows drag drop copy to drive icons.
shim