Dream Pentax Kit...


Hullman

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 17:11
OK, Hypothetical question....

Lets say I was suddenly to get a windfall of say 5-10K and lets say I'm gonna jack in my career in IT and launch into the world of professional photography shooting weddings and family portraits... Now, shouts of "are you mad" aside, and given the fact that I have a small, but not massive, investment in Pentax kit the question is :

A) Do I stay with Pentax and if so what would you reckon would constitute a professional kit bag of Pentax gear.

or....

B) Move to the dark side and consider Nikon / Canon (Thinking 5D mkIII or Nikon D3 territory)

I hasten to add, only really a pipe dream, but one should always have dreams

Andy
FF: Pentax K-1, D-FA* 70-200, D-FA 24-70, D-FA 100, D-FA 28-105, FA 77, FA 43
APSC: K3, K5, DA*50-135, DA*300, Sigma 17-50, Sigma 10-20, 18-55mm, DA 55-300mm, DA35, 1.4TC
4/3: Q10, Q, 01, 02, 06
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wvbarnes

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 17:30
For the price of a 5D MKIII body alone you can buy quite a lot of Pentax glass to go with your current K5 kit.

I'm always jealous of the guys on here who can afford the prime Limited and star lenses. A Pentax 15mm Limited F4 for example, a 100mm macro DA a 300mm DA and the big Sigma you already have would suit me nicely instead of my cheap stuff
Last Edited by wvbarnes on 14/07/2012 - 17:30

johnriley

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 18:28
You'll need two K-5s as it always needs a spare, just in case. Then three batteries for each, original Pentax ones as there's no room for error here.

Lenses as required, but again spares that can cover if the need ever arises.

Camera bags that enable quick access as well as secure carrying. These will not be cheap.

Then flashguns.

After that, computers and peripherals may be needed, plus a licenced version of the latest Photoshop. And finally insurance, definitely including Public Liability.

On the other hand, as you've had quite a windfall, you might just get a 645D and have fun shooting 40MP images. Forget the weddings, they are hard work!

5000 will not be enough, 10,000 might just do it. But you won't have anything left to go anywhere...
Best regards, John

Gwyn

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 18:29
or c) go off on a fantastic holiday and take stunning photos there, after maybe purchasing a lens or two. .

Offertonhatter

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 19:43
Who wants to be scared?
I worked it out. and we are talking quite a lot of money.
Now taking prices of SRS, Wex, Calumet, ebuyer amazon etc. The bare minimum you would need for both weddings and portraits is thus (and it does not include a studio)
Now before I say the price, it is based on the following equipment:-

2x K-5 bodies, 2x battery grips, 6x batteries, 6x sandisk 16GB fast cards, 2x 540 flashguns, DA*16-50, DA 35mm, DA*50-135, DA*55, FA77, DFA 100mm WR,
3x Bowens 500watt with 2 diffusers, 1 snoot and 1 beauty dish. 3 different backdrops (white, black and coloured), PS6 and LR4 (you will need both), a reasonable laptop (400 is reasonable) desktop, 27" screen (you will need a large screen) 2x 2TB external drives (backup) lightmeter (important for portraits) and of course PL insurance (cheapest item ironically)

Total cost?

10,880! And I have not included a couple of bags either....

Now if you went CaNikon and their 5D mk2 or D700, would would be around 17,500. Change to 5D mk3 or D800 bodies, and add another 3k to that figure.

So not exactly cheap then.

Still, cheaper than a new car............
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Last Edited by Offertonhatter on 14/07/2012 - 19:46

Mike-P

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:01
Offertonhatter wrote:


Now if you went CaNikon and their 5D mk2 or D700, would would be around 17,500. Change to 5D mk3 or D800 bodies, and add another 3k to that figure.

So not exactly cheap then.


You are comparing Pentax crop bodies to Canikon FF which is incorrect.
As Pentax don't do a FF DSLR you would have to use the 60D/D7000 which is fairer. As for the lenses there is obviously a larger selection (at similar prices) for Canikon.

Must admit if I were going professional as a wedding tog I would be swapping systems purely for the backup you get from Canon/Nikon.
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Opethian

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:08
If I had a windfall, I'm not going to do weddings as that will kill my passion for photography. But that's me.

I will second the travelling part. I WILL TRAVEL! With my Pentax gear... (and family of course LOL)

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Samyang 85 1.4 ...and a few other manual lenses older than me.

Offertonhatter

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:19
Mike, I was comparing the K-5 to the D700 and 5Dmk2 for the fact that if you want to do weddings and studio work seriously, you will want FF for that very reason (k-5 excepted). If you went APS-C you will still need a robust body that can take the workload and demands. So the CaNikon equivilents would be the D300s or 7D (I would be very surprised if the 60D or D7000 could cope as well). So subtract only about 800 off the CaNikon price.As for lenses, CaNikon don't really do similar high quality lenses at the same focal lengths, the ones that they do are nearly double the price anyway, so you you would need the L lens or similar Nikon, which again are designed for heavy professional use.

Anyway, the OP was saying "Dream" kit rather than reality kit.
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Last Edited by Offertonhatter on 14/07/2012 - 20:21

greynolds999

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:28
Mike does make a fair point. If you dropped your camera on the morning of a shoot you would not (unless you live in Watford) be able to hire a replacement Pentax body.

There are a number of companies who would deliver a CaNikon body to you within a couple of hours.
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Mike-P

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:32
Offertonhatter wrote:
As for lenses, CaNikon don't really do similar high quality lenses at the same focal lengths, the ones that they do are nearly double the price anyway, so you you would need the L lens or similar Nikon, which again are designed for heavy professional use.

The 18-50mm and 50-135mm are basically Tokina lenses .. which you can pick up for a lot less in Canikon mount, 77mm .. both do a cheap 85mm f1.8, 55mm, both have 50mm 1.4s that are cheaper than Pentax, 100mm macro, again both have the same lens at a similar price.

Offertonhatter wrote:
Mike, I was comparing the K-5 to the D700 and 5Dmk2 for the fact that if you want to do weddings and studio work seriously, you will want FF for that very reason

That says it all really, something Pentax can't compete with.
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Last Edited by Mike-P on 14/07/2012 - 20:33

Offertonhatter

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:32
Mind you, I must admit, that until recently a lot of Wedding togs (certainly in Manchester) were using Fuji S3 and S5 Pro bodies, which of course are APS-C. Yet these bodies were renowned for their dynamic range (err I have heard of this somewhere, oh yes, the K-5!)
So, get the right lens combo for weddings, and APS-C can be a boon for Wedding togs. As for studio, actually my K-5 is a great body, and produces great results. It is only occasionally at certain focal lengths that you wish for shallower DOF when shooting at the magic studio setup (1/125sec at F8, ISO100)
Still, thinking about it, a 645D with those same settings would be even better............LOL

Ignoring weddings, there is a very cheap way of studio shots. Get some Interfits, use M42 Taks and adapter, and you will get excellent shots for a fraction of the price. AF does not really matter in the studio.
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Oso

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:33
A K5 replacement camera with kit lens and possible 70 - 300mm tele will suite me fine, and with the windfall, I'll make a yearly trip to the 4 corners of the world, enjoying my hobby photography.

Oso

Mike-P

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:40
I'm not saying you can't do a wedding with a K-5, of course you can .. and very well but you need a professional company behind you that is ready to loan you a camera at the drop of a hat should yours go wrong the day before (as an example).

Same goes with any professional shoot, not just weddings.

Until Pentax have the same system (and range of equipment) in place as Canon and Nikon they unfortunately stand no chance of getting into the "real" professional markets in any great numbers.
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Last Edited by Mike-P on 14/07/2012 - 20:41

Offertonhatter

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:54
Mike-P wrote:
I'm not saying you can't do a wedding with a K-5, of course you can .. and very well but you need a professional company behind you that is ready to loan you a camera at the drop of a hat should yours go wrong the day before (as an example).

Same goes with any professional shoot, not just weddings.

Until Pentax have the same system (and range of equipment) in place as Canon and Nikon they unfortunately stand no chance of getting into the "real" professional markets in any great numbers.

Fair point, but I think Pentax are on the road for what you are talking about (CPS is the one)
The K-5 is certainly in the same league as CaNikon for being a rugged reliable camera (certainly more so than my K20D when I doing events)
Some lenses are already up there as equipment that will work whatever (the Limiteds) It is just that the backup needs to be there and Certainly the reliability of some (not all) DA* lenses need to be brought up to scratch. Certainly the 16-50 has had issues with focusing, and the early 50-135 are reluctant to focus initially (I know I have to coerce mine into life after lack of use - I get round it) But when they perform, they perform exceptionally.
I know they have some good support for the 645D, they just need to cascade it down to at least the K-5. So probably like CPS.
That and a FF camera, but that would be opening another can of worms......
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Last Edited by Offertonhatter on 14/07/2012 - 20:55

johnriley

Link Posted 14/07/2012 - 20:57
The whole point is, if you have a camera that fails it won't fail on the morning of the wedding so you can get a replacement in one or two hours. It will fail on the wedding and there will be no excuses for not having a backup.

You could shoot wedding photos on an *istDS with kit lens if you had to and provided you had two of them.

There's a misconception that to be a professional you must have particular kit, whereas it would be much better to simply know what you were doing and have the ability to use whatever is at hand. Onviously there is some very specialised stuff, but weddings don't fall into that category.
Best regards, John
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