D.I.Y. K3 battery grip

I was bound to be right I took the picture

No the other pin fits into a larger hole, it appears the dgb-5 is the same as the dbg4 but the pin diameters were altered.

On the subject of grip or no-grip.

I have a Z-1 and very happy to use it without a grip.

I also have a Z-1p, I feel it necessary to use a grip with this camera.

Both cameras virtually identical in shape and design but I need a grip with one but not the other, how do you explain that?

Looking forward to K-3 reviews.

Is one a left handed model

There's no virtually identical about the Z-1 and Z-1p, they are identical. The panoramic function separates them, plus maybe a few other technical details.

That's like saying you don't need a grip with the K-5 II but you do with the K-5 IIs.

I'll go for Mannesty's conclusion, but probably because you're looking at one of the cameras in a mirror....

Gwyn wrote:

I used a Super-A for years (same size as the ME series). It felt only comfortable with the winder fitted to it.
It made it just that bit larger to make it easy to hold for me and I haven't extra large hands.

Regards, Horst

It just depends on the individual. There's obviously a demand for winders and grips. I can't believe how many film winders I've sold on eBay in the last few months. And all the Pentax DSLR grips have sold as well, at good prices.

I don't use them as I prefer the compact profile of the cameras on their own and don't want the added bulk and weight. But that's me and we're not all the same.

I just don't get the idea of using a grip to hold a memory card and a battery; you can put them in your pocket if you don't own a gadget bag (unlikely).

I do confess to using a grip when certain, size is important, clients are around

I thought the whole point of pentax was small ergonomic bodies?

Quite agree My friend has a new Nikon D800 with grip making a gargantuan body even heavier and larger! whats the point? How can it make large lenses easier to handle? surely you have one hand on the lens and one on the body no??

Still each to their own

One of the points of Pentax is good ergonomics - for me that means the Camera & Grip combination.

Its always going to be a personal thing of course. I feel there are both handling and added control advantages - I'm a grip guy, will always be a grip guy I guess .

This sort of thing comes down to how the muscles are conditioned and 'programmed'. For me, the comfort and consistency in control comes from using the buttons & dials on the grip in portrait 'mode' with the hand in very much the same position as in 'landscape' with the body controls. The actual flipping of the camera over from one to the other is very quick and intuitive because of the extra tactile sense and surface contact you have with grip, and the hand just tightens back into the same position once the grip is vertical and the controls are right under your fingers again.

I find it very unatural to pull the camera left with the right wrist bending down to try and keep the fingers on the buttons. But then, thats the way I've been programmed.

By programming, not a great word to use in the context of human beings, I presume you mean taught and learned?

We can learn to do things a different way if we want to, so it's not inevitable that we only operate one way.

I think our physical motor reponses and senses are programmable - just set that way through unthinking repetition, so not the same as being taught and learning. What I mean in this context though is that this programming translates into our own personal 'natural'.

Another photography example would be the way many of us find it natural to half-press the shutter button to activate focus - then press fully to shoot. This is learned about, for sure, but its as a result of programming that any alternatives can feel unatural.

+1

Someone told you the p in Z-1p is for portrait orientation;

(they were pulling you leg).

was I right or was I wrong?, you say they are identical yet say there is at least one difference, therefore not identical. The Z-1p has a different finish, aesthetic and not technical:geek mode off:

I bought the Z-1p new and bought the grip soon afterwards as I found it improved handling...couldn't use the camera without the grip, yet after I bought the Z-1 (used) I didn't feel the need to buy a grip for it, actually the grip has never migrated off the Z-1p unless to change the battery or to have a service. Something I cannot explain

could it be for that?