CAA Lithium Battery Warning


SteveEveritt

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 19:05
doingthebobs wrote:
Some standardization of the shapes and capacities needs to be done for these companies to stop ripping us off!

Very true, I can'r understand why the latest flash Pentax brought out doesn't take the same batteries as the K-7 or 5 or 3. And why their entire range of DSLR cameras cannot use the same ones too.
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 19:49
dangie wrote:
The demand and market for 'fake' batteries would diminish considerably if the camera manufacturers priced their genuine batteries at a more realistic level. If a dSLR costs 1000+ then a battery costing 50 isn't such a big deal, but if a compact costs less than 100 then fifty quid for a spare battery is taking the pee a little..!!

Without meaning to sound elitist, it's the compact users on their two-week holiday to Majorca who are more likely to buy fake batteries. Not because they are fake, but because they are cheap.

Genuine OEM batteries are way overpriced. A cash cow if ever there was one..!!

What do you mean by "fake" batteries?


There's a big difference between 3rd party batteries that haven't got the camera brand label on that are probably made in the same factory to the same specs and quality control, and "fake" counterfeit batteries that probably have a couple of AAA's sodler together in a plastic case



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If a dSLR costs 1000+ then a battery costing 50 isn't such a big deal

Actually to me yes it is, it's a rip off when the same thing can be had for 6.
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 19:53
doingthebobs wrote:
When I got my K10, it came with a battery terminal cover like that Sony one. The K5 battery didn't. Either is vastly overpriced by Pentax to justify the price on these items.

Most people here would probably want a couple of spare batteries and that adds around 100 extra to the 1000 you already paid for the camera. I don't think 50 for a battery can ever be justified, when alternatives can be sold at much lower prices.
I wonder what the evidence is for saying that the fires were caused by cheap batteries anyway. The article, as usual with scary journalism, mixes several concerns but no real evidence for the conclusion that it is the non-branded items that cause the problems.

Some standardization of the shapes and capacities needs to be done for these companies to stop ripping us off!

The article makes no mention of non-branded batteries, it just mentions Fake ( counterfeit ) and incorrectly packed batteries.

but yes I agree there was some scaremongerng attached to this article, especially for those who don't know the difference between fake and non-branded
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 20:36


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Lenses: Pentax DA 10-17mm ED(IF) Fish Eye, Pentax DA 14mm f/2.8, Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8, Pentax-A 28mm f/2.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 EX DC, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.2, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4, Pentax-A 50mm f/1.7, Pentax DA* 50-135mm f/2.8, Sigma 135-400mm APO DG, and more ..
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dpm

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 21:36
hehe!

johnriley

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 21:42
That is totally unhelpful.
Best regards, John

Smeggypants

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 22:00
johnriley wrote:
That is totally unhelpful.

Awww it's just a bit of humour. - Surely a bit of humour doesn't hurt now and again?
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Last Edited by Smeggypants on 31/03/2014 - 22:03

davidstorm

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 22:34
Humour doesn't hurt at all and this should really be taken in the spirit it was intended, i.e. tongue in cheek. If the humour is unhelpful, so is all the scaremongering about non genuine batteries and I have to say also that Gwen's post suggesting that Li-ion batteries could have contributed to the Malaysian air disappearance almost made me fall off the sofa!! I suppose the batteries could not only have switched off the plane's communications, but could also have made it change course and fly in the opposite direction

I don't know of any proven cases of third party batteries causing personal injury, I'm referring here not to fake batteries but third party ones properly made to fit with the same specifications. No doubt someone might be able to find reports of problems, but I would bet that the same problems could also exist with Pentax batteries. We should all take sensible precautions, whatever batteries we use and this is probably more important than the maker's mark.

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johnriley

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 22:45
I think you've missed the original point David, which is to make people aware of the new guidelines from the CAA.

The information comes from them, so I hope that we would all take it to heart when flying. Casually disregarding the requirements is potentially dangerous, apart from possibly being prosecuted for doing so.

If I were sat on a plane I'd be happier knowing that my fellow passengers weren't flouting the rules on batteries or smoking or any of the other things that have potential dangers.
Best regards, John

Smeggypants

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 22:46
Gwyn wrote:


I'm not sure how we are supposed to buy cameras, phones, laptops etc and spare batteries online if they can't be sent by post though. Not everyone has access to a good shop close by.

They can be sent in the post. There's just restrictions on how they are sent and by what method.
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Smeggypants

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 22:52
johnriley wrote:
I think you've missed the original point David, which is to make people aware of the new guidelines from the CAA.

The information comes from them, so I hope that we would all take it to heart when flying. Casually disregarding the requirements is potentially dangerous, apart from possibly being prosecuted for doing so.

If I were sat on a plane I'd be happier knowing that my fellow passengers weren't flouting the rules on batteries or smoking or any of the other things that have potential dangers.

Indeed and anyone doing so would be totally irresponsible. Thankfully no one in this thread has indicated they would disregard the regulations on batteries and air travel.

I can't see anywhere where David has missed that point.
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Last Edited by Smeggypants on 31/03/2014 - 22:53

davidstorm

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 22:56
johnriley wrote:
I think you've missed the original point David, which is to make people aware of the new guidelines from the CAA.

Hi John, I did take the point and indeed I referred to the fact that we should all take sensible precautions, whether we fly with Pentax batteries or other makes. I was pointing out that the humour was tongue in cheek and also that some of the previous comments were actually more silly than the humorous ones.

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1stEverPentax

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 22:58
I've never been able to understand why no manufacturer has brought out a rechargeable Lithium AA battery...other than that it would mean lower profits ! (oops)

Being AA Nimh or lithium compatible is a major reason for me choosing Pentax DSLRs. If they (Pentax) went one step further and brought out a rechargeable Lithium AA and fitted it to all their new models it would be a major competitive advantage particularly if these models could also continue to use Alkaline AA and NiMh rechargeables.

Smeggypants

Link Posted 31/03/2014 - 23:30
1stEverPentax wrote:
I've never been able to understand why no manufacturer has brought out a rechargeable Lithium AA battery...other than that it would mean lower profits ! (oops)

Being AA Nimh or lithium compatible is a major reason for me choosing Pentax DSLRs. If they (Pentax) went one step further and brought out a rechargeable Lithium AA and fitted it to all their new models it would be a major competitive advantage particularly if these models could also continue to use Alkaline AA and NiMh rechargeables.

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Last Edited by Smeggypants on 31/03/2014 - 23:31

dangie

Link Posted 01/04/2014 - 09:09
Smeggypants wrote:
..What do you mean by "fake" batteries?

There's a big difference between 3rd party batteries that haven't got the camera brand label on that are probably made in the same factory to the same specs and quality control, and "fake" counterfeit batteries that probably have a couple of AAA's soldered together in a plastic case..

Exactly. With Canon or Nikon (for example) name on them.
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