Annoying dots on pictures

GregNal
Posted 23/08/2011 - 00:45 Link
On some pictures noticed that sometimes appears some circle shaped "shadows".
Couldn't find a reason for this - checked lenses (sms 18-55 dal almost like new, tamron 70-300 bought less than month ago), checked sensor but can't see anything - everything seems to be clear.
Dots can be easily removed with cloning/healing tool but it is a bit waste of time IMO.
Any idea what could case this?

Sample pictures (both Tamron AF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 LD Macro, no filters, lens hood attached)
First picture - dots mostly by left top corner, some on right part of picture a bit above sea level)
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Second picture - clear
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Thanks for any help.
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Edited by GregNal: 23/08/2011 - 01:14
flat4
Posted 23/08/2011 - 06:15 Link
Grzegorz, you have specks of dust/dirt on your sensor. Nothing to worry about. This happens alot when we change lenses and dust comes inside the camera. Buy yourself a "rocket cleaner pump" (a little blower pump, shaped like a rocket) and you should be able to get rid of the dust from the sensor. If specks are stuck on the surface, then you will have to do a wet/dry cleaning of your sensor with special cleaning kits. If you have worries about that, pentax service can do that for you.

Cheers, Luka
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Edited by flat4: 23/08/2011 - 06:16
bretti_kivi
Posted 23/08/2011 - 09:05 Link
... and blowers move the dust around, so it can get in the viewfinder. There's another thread on exactly the same problem elsewhere....

Bret
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GregNal
Posted 23/08/2011 - 12:38 Link
Thanks for response, seems that camera needs proper cleaning
Time to find relevant post
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Mannesty
Posted 23/08/2011 - 21:18 Link
Probably the best dry cleaning system available is the Arctic Butterfly from Visible Dust.

A Rocket blower will, as others have said, simply move the dust to somewhere else in the camera. It's not likely to remove it.

The Arctic Butterfly relies on a small electrostaic charge on its nylon brush, achieved by spinning it a few times using its built in motor. The charge attracts the dust, removing it from the camera.

For very stubborn contaminants, like sticky pollen, you may need to resort to a wet cleaning solution. Eclipse fluid and Pec-Pads seem to be the most popular, but Pentax also has their own wet cleaning system.
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davex
Posted 23/08/2011 - 22:24 Link
Quote:
A Rocket blower will, as others have said, simply move the dust to somewhere else in the camera. It's not likely to remove it.
+1, worse thing i ever did was use a rocket blower.

Ad the best thing i ever did was get one of these;
Quote:
The Arctic Butterfly
Davex
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beginner
Posted 23/08/2011 - 22:30 Link
davex wrote:
Quote:
A Rocket blower will, as others have said, simply move the dust to somewhere else in the camera. It's not likely to remove it.
+1, worse thing i ever did was use a rocket blower.

Ad the best thing i ever did was get one of these;
Quote:
The Arctic Butterfly
Davex
I agree...my viewfinder is full of "Crud!"
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Smeggypants
Posted 24/08/2011 - 03:39 Link
Mannesty wrote:
Probably the best dry cleaning system available is the Arctic Butterfly from Visible Dust.

A Rocket blower will, as others have said, simply move the dust to somewhere else in the camera. It's not likely to remove it.

The Arctic Butterfly relies on a small electrostaic charge on its nylon brush, achieved by spinning it a few times using its built in motor. The charge attracts the dust, removing it from the camera.

For very stubborn contaminants, like sticky pollen, you may need to resort to a wet cleaning solution. Eclipse fluid and Pec-Pads seem to be the most popular, but Pentax also has their own wet cleaning system.
I just wet clean anyway.
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MarkTaylor
Posted 24/08/2011 - 08:30 - Helpful Comment Link
As others have said it's most certainly dust or dirt on the sensor. What hasn't been mentioned is the reason your second picture is clear of dust is most likely because you used a larger aperture. The smaller the aperture you use the more dust shows up, and with reasonably wide apertures it is simply invisible or barely visible.

The easiest way to check for dust without special equipment is to use a long lens (like your Tamron at 300mm) to eliminate any distracting elements from the frame, point your camera at a patch of clear blue sky or a uniform white surface or similar, use the smallest aperture possible (such as F/22 - F/32) and take a couple of shots. (I generally take two and point the camera at a slightly different position in each to make it easier to distinguish between dirt on the sensor and any irregularities in what I'm photographing).

The K-5 has a menu function that will map out the dust for you, not sure if the K-x does, but in any case it usually doesn't show everything up and I find the above method better.

If it's just a speck or two which barely show up I usually don't worry about it... after all how often in reality do you take photographs at such a small aperture? If there are a few more and/or they're a bit more visible then I will give the sensor a clean.
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Edited by MarkTaylor: 24/08/2011 - 08:40
GregNal
Posted 24/08/2011 - 16:44 Link
MarkTaylor wrote:
As others have said it's most certainly dust or dirt on the sensor. What hasn't been mentioned is the reason your second picture is clear of dust is most likely because you used a larger aperture. The smaller the aperture you use the more dust shows up, and with reasonably wide apertures it is simply invisible or barely visible.

The easiest way to check for dust without special equipment is to use a long lens (like your Tamron at 300mm) to eliminate any distracting elements from the frame, point your camera at a patch of clear blue sky or a uniform white surface or similar, use the smallest aperture possible (such as F/22 - F/32) and take a couple of shots. (I generally take two and point the camera at a slightly different position in each to make it easier to distinguish between dirt on the sensor and any irregularities in what I'm photographing).

The K-5 has a menu function that will map out the dust for you, not sure if the K-x does, but in any case it usually doesn't show everything up and I find the above method better.
Thanks for advice and explanation as been surprised that not always dust/dirt is visible. K-X has "Dust Alert" function but this shows perfectly clear sensor so will have try your method soon. Think what won't be using any blowers as I managed to have small dirt in viewfinder

MarkTaylor wrote:

If it's just a speck or two which barely show up I usually don't worry about it... after all how often in reality do you take photographs at such a small aperture? If there are a few more and/or they're a bit more visible then I will give the sensor a clean.
It is more than two You are right - in reality rarely using small aperture (especially with Tamron as with aperture smaller than f16 didn't achieved good results).

Mannesty wrote:
Probably the best dry cleaning system available is the Arctic Butterfly from Visible Dust.

A Rocket blower will, as others have said, simply move the dust to somewhere else in the camera. It's not likely to remove it.

The Arctic Butterfly relies on a small electrostaic charge on its nylon brush, achieved by spinning it a few times using its built in motor. The charge attracts the dust, removing it from the camera.

For very stubborn contaminants, like sticky pollen, you may need to resort to a wet cleaning solution. Eclipse fluid and Pec-Pads seem to be the most popular, but Pentax also has their own wet cleaning system.
Well, time to shop around for above.

Again, for all of you thanks for help.
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Gwyn
Posted 24/08/2011 - 16:52 Link
I just bought a new Arctic Butterfly for my daughter-in-law. Same model as my old one but now it comes with lights. Not sure how useful they are but it looks impressive .

I also use a loupe from Visible dust (makers of the Butterfly) to check the sensor.
beginner
Posted 24/08/2011 - 17:13 Link
I always carry my "butterfly"...and always do 3 or 4 passes with it whenever I'm going out on a trip,especially so when doing landscapes!....a marvelous tool!
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GregNal
Posted 24/08/2011 - 18:55 Link
Gwyn wrote:
I just bought a new Arctic Butterfly for my daughter-in-law. Same model as my old one but now it comes with lights. Not sure how useful they are but it looks impressive .

I also use a loupe from Visible dust (makers of the Butterfly) to check the sensor.
beginner wrote:
I always carry my "butterfly"...and always do 3 or 4 passes with it whenever I'm going out on a trip,especially so when doing landscapes!....a marvelous tool!
So Artic Butterfly is "a must"
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MarkTaylor
Posted 24/08/2011 - 19:37 - Helpful Comment Link
I also got dust into the viewfinder the first time I used a Rocket Blower and had to have it professionally cleaned to remove this. However since then I have learned to use it correctly and have not had any further problems whatsoever. It's a shame they don't come with any instructions on how to use properly but the method I was shown (by a photographer far more experienced than myself) and have used ever since with no problems at all goes like this:

• Hold the camera with the open lens mount pointing directly downwards.
• Hold the blower underneath the camera, pointing directly upwards.
• Do not insert any part of the nozzle actually inside the camera body. Keep it fully outside the body leaving at least a centimetre or two clearance.
• Squeeze the bulb firmly to produce short but even, controlled bursts of air. Do not squeeze it so hard that all of the air is expelled in an instantaneous violent blast.
• Allow the nozzle to move slightly from side to side whilst squeezing the bulb so the flow of air can reach all parts of the sensor, but try not to let it point anywhere else in the camera body other than at the sensor. (This might sound difficult considering you can't see the sensor while doing this, but really it is just a matter of familiarising yourself with the position and size of the sensor beforehand and using a little common sense).

Personally I use the blower first when cleaning the sensor. If this doesn't sort it out I use the Arctic Butterfly two or three times. If there is still dust remaining after that I wet clean using the orange V-swabs and VDust Plus fluid. As Smeggy says you could just use the swabs every time but since they are fairly expensive and not reusable, trying the dry methods first can save you a bit of cash in the longer term (not so much in the short term because an Arctic Butterfly brush is not exactly cheap).

Of course, you should always try to minimise the amount of time the open camera body is exposed when changing lenses to help minimise the accumulation of dust in the first place. Personally I use the white plastic body cap which came with the camera to cover the body whilst putting the first lens back in my bag and getting the next one out, but everybody has their own methods when it comes to lens changing.
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Edited by MarkTaylor: 24/08/2011 - 20:09
MarkTaylor
Posted 24/08/2011 - 20:14 Link
Forgot to mention above and this might be fairly obvious, but before using the Rocket Blower on the camera give it a few squeezes to expel any dust which might be resting on the tip of the nozzle or just inside it.
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