18-270 Tamron Rebadge?


amilner

Link Posted 11/09/2012 - 15:56
The new 18-270 looks suspiciously like a re-badged Tamron.

I've nothing against that as I have the rather serviceable 18-250 which is also a Tamron rebadge (right down to hood interchangeability - I lost my original hood and so replaced it with a Tamron one as it was less than half the price).

However the 'RRP' of 699 is currently nearly double the street price of the Tamron equivalent. Now RRP is one thing - but even if the street price is - say - 500 Pentax are still taking a 140 premium for taking the IS out of the lens (and - if the blurb is to believed, putting in their own SDM motor in place of the Tamron PZD one).

With the 18-250 you could choose which to buy as the Tamron version was available in Pentax mount (I bought the Pentax at a premium of about 50). With this model you do not have that choice and the there is no 'native' version in Pentax mount.
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johnriley

Link Posted 11/09/2012 - 16:54
I'm sure the price will settle.

Thye addition of the 18-270mm is long overdue. It's an excellent lens and with SMC coatings it should perform better than the 18-250mm, which is already well worth owning.

The motor will no doubt be a DC one, similar to the one in the 18-135mm. This works extremely well, so I don't see a problem there.

I think we need to simply see this as a useful addition toi the range. No use lamenting the lack of a tamron version, because there isn't one.

It's a similar situation to the joint efforts with Tokina. In that case, eventually the prices have evened out and sometimes the Pentax version actually costs less.
Best regards, John

fritzthedog

Link Posted 11/09/2012 - 17:50
amilner wrote:

With the 18-250 you could choose which to buy as the Tamron version was available in Pentax mount (I bought the Pentax at a premium of about 50). With this model you do not have that choice and the there is no 'native' version in Pentax mount.

Interestingly - on the used market - the Pentax badges version of the 18-250 regularly commands 100 more than the Tamron badged version - so perhaps residual value is also something to consider?

Carl
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johnriley

Link Posted 11/09/2012 - 18:14
Carl's point is actually a good one. I guess Pentax K20Ds sell for higher prices than Samsung GX20s as well?
Best regards, John

Don

Link Posted 11/09/2012 - 18:44
I seem to recall when the Pentax 28-200 came out, the Pentax actually outperformed the Tamron.
Sounds odd.. but the smc coatings, controlled flare better, was marginally sharper at the edges, and for some reason the Pentax version actually focussed closer..
so maybe there are reasons to pay a little more..

and yes the tamron and pentax were sister models, with tamron manufacturing it with a couple lens elements and coatings made to Pentax specs...
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Last Edited by Don on 11/09/2012 - 18:52

amilner

Link Posted 11/09/2012 - 18:50
I suspect that the price is less likely to 'even out' if there is no 'competition' from the Tamron badged version (as there was with the 18-250) - though having said that the Pentax 10-17 was considerably cheaper than the Tokina version for other mounts (The Tokina actually came out later than the Pentax in this case)

The press release says clearly it an SDM and not a DC lens - but I am not sure I entirely believe they will be taking out the Tamron motor and putting in a Pentax one, despite the implications of the press release.

Residual value is relevant - partly why I bought the Pentax badged 18-250 a few years back - but I am not sure it really justifies the price rise!
Tony Milner
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Pentaxonian

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 13:24
It's just a rebadge ... JR sees everything Pentax through tinted glasses

Why no HD coating then?

PRIC is having a laugh
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johnriley

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 13:38
Pentaxonian wrote:
It's just a rebadge ... JR sees everything Pentax through tinted glasses

Why no HD coating then?

PRIC is having a laugh

I know what I like, and make no apologies for it.

However, you can be forgiven for the comment as when I don't like something I don't feel particularly motivated to write about it. It seems negative to do so, and I'm a person of enthusiasm, not negativity.

So I can see how that could be interpretaed as rose tinted glasses.
Best regards, John

ChrisA

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 15:58
johnriley wrote:
Thye addition of the 18-270mm is long overdue. It's an excellent lens and with SMC coatings it should perform better than the 18-250mm, which is already well worth owning.

The motor will no doubt be a DC one, similar to the one in the 18-135mm. This works extremely well, so I don't see a problem there.

Sadly not - SDM unless the specs are fibbing.
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johnriley

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 16:00
Interesting Chris, if that's the case it's more upmarket lens offering. If it's a typo then we'll find out sometime soon.
Best regards, John

ChrisA

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 16:03
johnriley wrote:
Interesting Chris, if that's the case it's more upmarket lens offering. If it's a typo then we'll find out sometime soon.

Sorry, don't understand... more upmarket if it's SDM???

Based on the 18-135, I thought DC was superior to SDM.
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johnriley

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 16:08
I was under the impression that the DC lens (18-135mm) with its DC motor and simplified weather resistance was a lower range than the SDM range with SDM motor and full weather and dust resistance.
Best regards, John

Mike-P

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 16:52
The DC motor looks to be much more reliable than SDM (and is certainly a lot faster focusing).

SRS have the lens for pre-order at 699, I would have thought Pentax would have learned their lesson with the 18-135mm tbh.
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johnriley

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 16:55
The 18-135mm seems to be doing Ok, and of course the price has come down. In fact, at some points it has looked irresistable, and we didn't resist...

I think I'll snap up an 18-270mm for Sue to replace her 18-250mm, but when the price is right.
Best regards, John

Mike-P

Link Posted 12/09/2012 - 17:00
johnriley wrote:
The 18-135mm seems to be doing Ok, and of course the price has come down. In fact, at some points it has looked irresistable, and we didn't resist...

I think I'll snap up an 18-270mm for Sue to replace her 18-250mm, but when the price is right.

That's what I mean about learning their lesson.
The 18-135mm was priced too high from the start and in the end Pentax had to reduce it dramatically to get sales. It now seems to be doing well at around the 375 mark.

The Tamron is 380 so I would have thought a 499 price would be appropriate considering the label.
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