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boxcam78 wrote:
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In manual, you can check the exposure by using the stop down lever (why is everyone intent on using the green button?) and whilst holding that down you release the shutter.!
I cannot quite see how you manage to do this on the K10d - you would have to be very dextrous. Can you please explain more precisely. ? I think I understand using the preview lever but it does not store the captured image, it only allows one to check settings such as white balance etc. - or is there more to it than that ?
I had a go at this - it's pretty easy to do if you're hand-holding the camera. Index finger on the shutter release, middle finger to move the lever. Easy enough to hold the lever against its spring while you push the button.

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if the tendency for camera shake was greater, owing to the increased muscle tension while holding the lever in its preview position.

More serious, though, I'd have thought, is use on a tripod, where holding the lever in the stop-down position is more likely to shake the whole assembly. Obviously the tripod will work best if you can let go while you take the shot.
you don't need to hold the lever during the exposure, only while metering.

I use it this way:

1. centre subject in frame
2. flick DOF preview with finger, check exposure is correct and take the opportunity to check the DOF as well while you're at it
3. adjust shutter speed/aperture as needed
4. release DOF preview switch, compose and shoot


It's literally exactly the same as using a Spotmatic series, just that the meter on/off switch is now the DOF preview lever.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Comment by Mongoose posted on K10D Stop down metering exposure problem at 19/03/2007 - 16:10

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buris,

good thought. However if my understanding of the K mount is correct it shouldn't matter.

The original K mount works thusly

As you look from the back of the lens, there is a small actuator on the right hand side which activates stop down. This is spring loaded so that it defaults to the "stopped down" position.

When this actuator is in the up position (as it is when composing) the lens is wide open.

When the shutter fires, the camera moves a cam out of the way and the lens stops down to shooting aperture. The aperture it closes down to is determined by the position of the aperture ring.

The cam always moves all the way and the final size of the aperture is determined solely by the position of the aperture ring. How it gets there doesn't matter since the shutter is closed during this process.

In later models with the KA mount this was modified as you say, but in true Pentax style the modifications are unimportant to cameras which can't make use of them.


As it happens I have two examples of the SMC-M 50mm F2. One is the early version with classic M series diameter based stop down, one is a later one which was obviously built with some A series components since it stops down like an A series lens (see Bojidar's KMP for a description of these lenses). When I get home tomorrow I'll check and see if these two behave the same.


John, I am very grateful to you for pointing out that you can use DOF preview to get a real meter readout, but it gives the same result either way (though the DOF preview makes compensating for it less painful!)

Comment by Mongoose posted on K10D Stop down metering exposure problem at 17/03/2007 - 11:09

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I wouldn't mind so much if it would at least meter correctly wide open so you can guestimate the rest for yourself.

Comment by Mongoose posted on K10D Stop down metering exposure problem at 09/03/2007 - 13:30

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I was just thinking the same thing. Ben seems to think it's altered the metering but I don't think he's tried it with non-A lenses

Comment by Mongoose posted on K10D Stop down metering exposure problem at 09/03/2007 - 09:50

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I performed some careful tests with a K 45-125. The results were very inconsistent once you start stopping down the lens.

I also tried with an M 50/1.4,with similar results.

If it's particular to some camera bodies, then it's a defect and the cameras should be exchanged.
yes, but if we knew that some K10D's exhibit this fault and some don't then we COULD exchange them

Comment by Mongoose posted on K10D Stop down metering exposure problem at 07/03/2007 - 13:01

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I am surprised by all the internet chatter on this subject. I have never had any metering issues with M or M42 lenses on an istDS. One thing to make sure of is that you stop down to meter (not sure if the auto ISO feature might also affect stop down metering) - some of the idiots out there (present company excepted) probably forget this and fire away. Unsurprisingly, they get over exposure.
the issue doesn't effect the *istDS or any other *ist body, it is limited to the K10D

Comment by Mongoose posted on K10D Stop down metering exposure problem at 14/02/2007 - 22:56

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my DL2 also starts to underexpose in extreme low light, the stop down meter never picks anything slower than 0.5s. However it is much more generally accurate than my 10D.

One thing I have noticed is that spot metering seems to be more accurate than centre weighted.

Comment by Mongoose posted on K10D Stop down metering exposure problem at 13/02/2007 - 10:37

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My experience is exactly the same as Chris's, with 50mm F2, 200mm F4 and Zeiss Flektogon 35mm.

It's very disapointing as all these lenses worked great with the DL2.

Comment by Mongoose posted on K10D Stop down metering exposure problem at 12/02/2007 - 23:40

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just a thought, haven't tried it so don't know if it would work, but you can get refill kits for most inkjet carts these days. How about refilling the tri colour cart with black ink in all three tanks?

Comment by Mongoose posted on Further to Converting to Mono thread at 11/02/2007 - 17:55

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sorry I can't help with spares dealers, just wanted to say hope you came out of the hedge in better shape than your lens hood!

Comment by Mongoose posted on Another reason for using a lens hood at 11/02/2007 - 17:44

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