£691 for a K-5 II body from SRS. Price comparison sites don't include all suppliers, so it's always worth looking a little closer at the market.

If you want to play with a meter Stan I've got an old tatty but working Weston Master II you can have. Just PM me your address and I'll send it over.

Please everyone remember to attack the argument, not the person. Personal jibes are against PU terms of use.

The other thing that can cause some problems is the huge file size for every image. Some older computers might struggle, but the storage for some people will be a difficulty. We don't all have the latest computer kit.

I see what you mean, might be tricky with the processing used.

Here's a tonemapped image of a sax player at Arley Hall Flower festival. Happy to hear your views. Ricoh GR.

Good points Dodge69.

Money could be better spent actually going somewhere interesting to get interesting shots.

Indeed, but let's keep cheerful about it.

Because it always broke out into range war and the majority of members did not like it. So no mystery or conspiracy.

No problem, but perhaps not the best choice of words. I still think it's the case though that if you are arguing against the purchase then it's as much justifying not buying as it could be justifying buying. So it works both ways. You are defending your lack of purchase. Someone else is defending their purchase.

However, although we all want to justify in one way what we do, I think it's necessary to acknowledge that it's fair here, having bought something like the IIs, that owners are in a special position to be able to make more informed comments.

Non-owners don't know that if they did buy a IIs they wouldn't be stunned by the improvement after all. Just like people who are owners are stunned by the K-01 and Q cameras, despite the doubters.

My suggestion is that we should listen to them and take on board their experiences, the real experiences that Mr S has suggested many times are better than those who are published by organisations such as EPZ and DPR.