Nobody is falling out Hardgravity, life is too short and there are too many thnis to do.

There's a lot of exciting Pentax stuff happening just now...

Photograms is a term that has a few different meanings in photography.

The first is just a photograph, hence the AP published (Actually Illiffe and Sons) Photograms of the Year annual than ran from the early 1900s to the early 1960s. These were similar in conept to Photography Year Book.

The second refers to 2D images where items are placed directly onto photographic paper (could be a scanner now) to make an image.

The third refers to 3D images, traditionally perhaps a light on a cord that is allowed to make patterns whilst the shutter is open on B. Intricate effects were made by putting a post on a record turntable and attaching the cord to the top of the post. The light is spun and so is the turntable, giving patterns of light.

It seems there's life in the various concepts yet.

You have a PM Stefan, now please give it a rest.

No need to get tetchy alexfilipov, nobody said they wouldn't post to your country. Clearly no-one had a lens they wanted to sell, or maybe didn't notice your post.

Not at all, you've got a fair point.

I've just had a spell with the K-r and that was stupendous. Just fell in love with it instantly and I'm so tempted to go for it for professional as well as amateur use.

What the label is that it's given doesn't matter in the slightest, it's how it works for the photographer that counts.

There used to be quite a few shops in and around Manchester, full of interesting things.

Now as far as my purchases go, we're with SRS, Amazon and eBay. The primary one is the first, and that is indeed a camera shop. Unfortunately it's a bit far away for me to visit, but perhaps that very fact saves me some money!

Absolutely correct Stefan, so let's move on.

Stefan, I have replied to your report and it really is time you moved on from this. There's more to talk about on this forum that has something to do with Pentax User. Please remember the title of the website...

Now let's all be friends and settle down.

Please just follow the convention Stefan, we're not getting involved in a debate about it. We all know Pentax only is the norm and we all know we have to abide by copyright rules, unless you're telling me you took the image and that's then a different matter?

Please only post Pentax images and also ones we actually have copyright of, or permission to use. Otherwise, links are generally OK.