I'm confused by this comment as with the kit lens the DS-2 is cheaper than body only so I will definately get it - are you saying the below is better or worse than the Kit lens.

I think I have pretty much decided to go have a play with the KS2 and if it feels right in my hand I will go for it. If not I'll go for the K3.

Shame the kit lens on the KS2 doesn't seem great but body only prices are higher at the moment so there seems little point in avoiding it.

Thanks but I'm not keen on a used unit at this point as I don't feel I know enough about them to spot any common issues etc.

Apologies my bad - but my point that you should still be able to do a return to Amazon still stands.

FYI you can buy this new from John Lewis for £499 with a 2 year Warranty so I think you are over pricing it - best of luck.

Why not return it to Amazon for a refund?

And you get the John Lewis 2 year warranty.

http://www.johnlewis.com/pentax-k-s1-digital-slr-camera-with-18-55mm-lens-hd-108...

I didn't think we would have a London Camera Exchange up here in the North East but apparently we do in one of the posh suburbs of Newcastle so I may mooch over for a look.

One thing that worries me about the KS2 is that the small size may be uncomfortable for me as I have in the past found small cameras uncomfortable to use.

I don't mind paying a little more to an offline retailer as I think if we don't we will simply lose the option of going and trying things eventually

Thanks for that Bruce admittedly I am quite torn now the KS2s WiFi and NFC features look attractive too. Appreciate your opinion especially as you have both bodies.

It will be a couple of weeks before I gave the free cash to decide hopefully I can find a local retailer that stocks both models so I can have a feel it seems most shops around these parts only stock Nikon and cannon, our local Costco warehouse does have some great deals on cannon an Nikon kits but I'm still swaying heavily towards Pentax

I've been reading a few reviews on the KS2 and K3 following on from the great feedback on these boards.

The snag ibseem to be coming across with the KS2 is the 11 point autofocus not being as good as other models. How do you guys who have used the KS2 feel it compares in autofocus speed compared to the KS3. This feature is a big deal to me as I imagine I'll use this camera a lot at my kids sports events etc.

I was tempted by the KS3ii for the GPS tracking of stars etc but losing the pop up flash was too off putting. I don't always want to carry a flash with me and though it is something of a "non pro" feature I have found pop up flashes though limited quite useful for fill on sunny days out when the sun is behind the subject.