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Comment by foneypony posted on Pentax/Ricoh putting prices up at 19/04/2012 - 17:30
I love my K5's and would love to see Pentax in every camera shop. I am under the impression that Pentax in the UK are a small company, I am told with only about 15 employees. That's office and sales staff!!!
If thats the case, it will take a while to implement new sales channels etc.
I hope they do though, I really want them to sort distribution and grow the brand.
If thats the case, it will take a while to implement new sales channels etc.
I hope they do though, I really want them to sort distribution and grow the brand.
Comment by foneypony posted on Local stockists of Pentax? at 19/04/2012 - 15:51
Hi all, let me tell you again. No matter what is going on in other countries, the UK retailers of camera equipment are making anything from 0 - 5% on DSLR sale. There has been talk about sales or return!!! What guff, there is no such thing as sale or return, I can assure you.
People have been quoting credit terms etc.......the largest camera company has it dealers on 14 days with payments taken automatically by DD!!!!!
Seriously, with the costs those guys have, we will see more go under as they just cannot make anything. I feel they should be making 20-30% on lenses etc as they make nothing on the bodies and kits....
Also, are you aware that lenses imported alone (not with a body) are subjested to 6-7% duty!!
It all adds up.
If the camera retailers make soooo much money, why are so many going out of business?
If they make so much money why are half the camera shops in our great land in such a mess?
It's that that hard to work out guys is it????????
Think about it, please.....The camera trade is very tough, as is any CE trade.
People have been quoting credit terms etc.......the largest camera company has it dealers on 14 days with payments taken automatically by DD!!!!!
Seriously, with the costs those guys have, we will see more go under as they just cannot make anything. I feel they should be making 20-30% on lenses etc as they make nothing on the bodies and kits....
Also, are you aware that lenses imported alone (not with a body) are subjested to 6-7% duty!!
It all adds up.
If the camera retailers make soooo much money, why are so many going out of business?
If they make so much money why are half the camera shops in our great land in such a mess?
It's that that hard to work out guys is it????????
Think about it, please.....The camera trade is very tough, as is any CE trade.
Comment by foneypony posted on Pentax/Ricoh putting prices up at 19/04/2012 - 14:57
mecrox wrote:
Would that have been in Grace Brothers by any chance? It may well be inaccurate, of course, but perhaps not - and in any event you can go to the other forum and check it. See here[/quote]Smeggypants wrote:
having worked in retail I can tell you that Algernon is correct and your source is rubbishmecrox wrote:
[quote:3496ace15f="Algernon"]That's total nonsense. It must have been written by someone with less than half a brain and I find it hard to believe that yours is any bigger for repeating such tripe! . Most retailers margins nowadays on high price goods are around 10-20% and they have to give a cut out of that to the Credit Card companies.
Lol. That's not what the list (a shot was included) says. It's on the other forum, so I'd check it before helping yourself to some more tripe. The margins differed on different lenses, ranging from 37% on up. However, bear in mind that I said "a notional selling price" before any reductions. The top price may not be what a dealer actually charges so his margin might well be lower but it wouldn't in the least surprise me if the price soon becomes the top one if Ricoh have their way. As I said, these gents in Japan are after big money - yours.[quote:3496ace15f="Algernon"]That's total nonsense. It must have been written by someone with less than half a brain and I find it hard to believe that yours is any bigger for repeating such tripe! . Most retailers margins nowadays on high price goods are around 10-20% and they have to give a cut out of that to the Credit Card companies.
Comment by foneypony posted on Pentax/Ricoh putting prices up at 19/04/2012 - 14:37
Guys, you are quibbling about prices, which ever way you look at it.
I good and long term friend of mine in the the photo trade, more than 1 outlet. I know that when he sells a DSLR, in most cases the business makes 5% or less. More than this in considered very good....5%!!!! A certain top brand to be competitive the margin at point of sale can be 0....yes 0%...
Has anybody ever though that Pentax have been absorbing increases and maybe now are forced to increase prices.. Also, maybe dealers are beginning to realise that if they want to pay the bills, staff and keep a roof over their heads maybe they need to make something!!
People moan about fuel..yes it bis expensive but compare it to beer. When you think what the raw materials are of beer, and how it is made, compare that with all the costs and expertise of oil drilling and refining....suddenly ur Friday night Ale looks very very expensive...
Only a few weeks ago some people on here i saw moaning that the K5 was too cheap!!!
These companies are having a hard time, the global giant Sony, $5 Billion losses......also, maybe Pentax lens prices are a little higher because they are better.....quite simply engineered better using better materials....judging by many pictures I see from Pentax users, that what I believe.
I good and long term friend of mine in the the photo trade, more than 1 outlet. I know that when he sells a DSLR, in most cases the business makes 5% or less. More than this in considered very good....5%!!!! A certain top brand to be competitive the margin at point of sale can be 0....yes 0%...
Has anybody ever though that Pentax have been absorbing increases and maybe now are forced to increase prices.. Also, maybe dealers are beginning to realise that if they want to pay the bills, staff and keep a roof over their heads maybe they need to make something!!
People moan about fuel..yes it bis expensive but compare it to beer. When you think what the raw materials are of beer, and how it is made, compare that with all the costs and expertise of oil drilling and refining....suddenly ur Friday night Ale looks very very expensive...
Only a few weeks ago some people on here i saw moaning that the K5 was too cheap!!!
These companies are having a hard time, the global giant Sony, $5 Billion losses......also, maybe Pentax lens prices are a little higher because they are better.....quite simply engineered better using better materials....judging by many pictures I see from Pentax users, that what I believe.
Comment by foneypony posted on Pentax/Ricoh putting prices up at 17/04/2012 - 09:07
I find all this chat quite amusing....I for one don't give a damm about the rising prices....I know they need to rise...Exchange rates is not an excuse.....it's a fact.....a cold hard fact....as is availability of components....You guys are supposed to be Pentax supporters????? Most of you sound like the type that would leave a football match at half time if your side was 1-0 down!!!
Also, it is quite obvious that you don't understand how a large Japanese corp. is run. I do, I work for the largest Japanese corp and have done for 15 years..
I you want Pentax to grow and get back to the position they were in 20 years ago, they need to make money. You can't expect Ricoh to just hand them bags of cash......what sense does that make.
Get behind them....support your dealer.....save up and buy the kit you want.....more importantly, use it rather than listing it on every thread....
ps, 2x K5+16-50, 50-135mm, 200mmm , 300mm, 15mm, 31mm f1.8, 77mm f1.8,
Also, it is quite obvious that you don't understand how a large Japanese corp. is run. I do, I work for the largest Japanese corp and have done for 15 years..
I you want Pentax to grow and get back to the position they were in 20 years ago, they need to make money. You can't expect Ricoh to just hand them bags of cash......what sense does that make.
Get behind them....support your dealer.....save up and buy the kit you want.....more importantly, use it rather than listing it on every thread....
ps, 2x K5+16-50, 50-135mm, 200mmm , 300mm, 15mm, 31mm f1.8, 77mm f1.8,
Comment by foneypony posted on Pentax/Ricoh putting prices up at 16/04/2012 - 15:30
I must say I am happy that Jessops are stocking Pentax. With Canon and Nikon so dominant, it's great to see Pentax back.
Don't forget guys, Jessops is pretty much bank owned and they will dictate what money can be spent each week.
When you have people waiting for Canon and Nikon stock, what would you buy.
This is the first time I have been on here and I am amazed at the negativity you guys show the brand that you support!
Lets get behind them and support them....
I'm sure Pentax will be stocked in more Jessops as sales grow, the 2 large Manchester stores have good stock and know their onions!!
Don't forget guys, Jessops is pretty much bank owned and they will dictate what money can be spent each week.
When you have people waiting for Canon and Nikon stock, what would you buy.
This is the first time I have been on here and I am amazed at the negativity you guys show the brand that you support!
Lets get behind them and support them....
I'm sure Pentax will be stocked in more Jessops as sales grow, the 2 large Manchester stores have good stock and know their onions!!
Comment by foneypony posted on Jessops fall out with pentax at 12/04/2012 - 17:02
CSC, yes, I certainly saw some noise about that, especially with others doing similar.. But Q, with those sensor specs at that pricepoint? There's always been a lot of 'small is nice, Pentax is good at it', but specifically this small with this tiny a sensor and that pricepoint?!? Must be before my time
Lets face it, it was made for the home market, where, it has done very well.
K-01, mmmmmmmmm. Design piece!! Again, performs well.
I'm sure when they get through the Hoya stuff things will improve.