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Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Jessops fall out with pentax at 16/04/2012 - 09:56
Smeggypants wrote:
I do wonder what she's been upto the last 6 months? ... A lot of new Pentax products coming/have come out and I haven't seen any 'hard' advertizing in photographic press, national or local press or, commercials on television... George Lazarette wrote:
There is no advantage to her or Pentax to provide inaccurate information. She was clearly told by Pentax that Jessops had agreed to stock the full Pentax line, and was unaware that they didn't.
It's a pity she wasn't greeted more warmly. With such a reception, it would not be surprising if she decided never to return. And that would be a shame.
G
A PR agency that runs away at the slightest sniff of criticism isn't a PR agency. As you should well know George, PR is about putting yourself on a public stage and being able to take any challenges to your broadcasts. Mike-P wrote:
They haven't come into the forum .. a member of the (outsourced) media agency has come onto the forum.
As to whether she stays is another matter.
It is very common for large companies to use agents for PR, and since Nicola Littlewood is Pentax's authorised agent, she speaks for Pentax just as much as a direct employee would.They haven't come into the forum .. a member of the (outsourced) media agency has come onto the forum.
As to whether she stays is another matter.
There is no advantage to her or Pentax to provide inaccurate information. She was clearly told by Pentax that Jessops had agreed to stock the full Pentax line, and was unaware that they didn't.
It's a pity she wasn't greeted more warmly. With such a reception, it would not be surprising if she decided never to return. And that would be a shame.
G
This is not how CaNikon, Fuji, Panasonic, Samsung or any of the other photographic companies I can think of play it...
There is a Pentax-Pro centre in the middle of Bradford but from what I can tell they are not supplied with much of a 'point of sales' package either...(?)
Now we're told Ricoh have to raise prices to make money?! ...
Surely if the spent some on advertising they sell more stock? ...
Pentax needs to make consummers aware that it is making quality photographic equipment...
Again... I'm not attempting to insult... Just raising questions...
So I propose ideas for our new member Nicola to (at least think about) run with...
Idea 1)
Run photography comp in The Guardian with K5 as 1st prize - K01 as 2nd prize and Kr as 3rd and you instantly generate awareness of the brand to the Saab-driving-educated of our little sea-locked-rock
Idea 2)
Run comps with identical prizes in the Express and Sun newspapers - just make the entry requirements easier and use a picture of a reletively attractive blonde girl...
Idea 3)
A TV advert... lots of photographers at a film premier... The rain pours... All the toggers run for cover... Beautiful actress arrives by limo - man with K5 puts his jacket over her protectively
"You look beautiful" he says "Can I get a few pictures?"
K5 gets the shot while other toggers look on in vain...
PENTAX K5 - WE DON'T STOP - WE GET THE SHOT
The camera is then shown resting in a puddle in the rain...
Any more ideas?
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Jessops fall out with pentax at 15/04/2012 - 22:19
A good one is:
"Watch Dave drop the *istDS he gave you 10 minutes ago in a sink with the hot tap running, and see how many expletives he can come up with in 5 seconds"
Luckily I had quick access to a microfibre cloth and camera survived, working perfectly... but his face was all "I can't believe you just broke my new camera" for about 15 to 20 seconds
"Watch Dave drop the *istDS he gave you 10 minutes ago in a sink with the hot tap running, and see how many expletives he can come up with in 5 seconds"
Luckily I had quick access to a microfibre cloth and camera survived, working perfectly... but his face was all "I can't believe you just broke my new camera" for about 15 to 20 seconds
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Any Photography Games For Kids? at 15/04/2012 - 19:53
I've been to a couple of events at one of the Bradford clubs and it seems a very supportive atmosphere...
They were very keen to sign new members up (which as my lifestyle is currently all over the place just wasn't feesable... A pay-per-session would work better for me...) and very friendly towards people of all skill levels...
Most clubs appear to publish a calender of events well in advance which I think is a good move, although some seem to have an obsession toward competition photography which I think can put less competitive types off...
A lot of major cities will have more than one club or group... Make enquiries and join the one that best suits your needs... Or join both!
They were very keen to sign new members up (which as my lifestyle is currently all over the place just wasn't feesable... A pay-per-session would work better for me...) and very friendly towards people of all skill levels...
Most clubs appear to publish a calender of events well in advance which I think is a good move, although some seem to have an obsession toward competition photography which I think can put less competitive types off...
A lot of major cities will have more than one club or group... Make enquiries and join the one that best suits your needs... Or join both!
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Photographic Clubs at 15/04/2012 - 17:36
Mike-P wrote:
The way I look at it is that if Pentax can't be bothered to advertise their products then why should I.
Ohhh!! How could you say such a thing?!The way I look at it is that if Pentax can't be bothered to advertise their products then why should I.
I for one am shocked by your negative attitude!
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Have You Converted Anyone? at 13/04/2012 - 11:57
johnriley wrote:
I think that has been, over a few posts there, quite a demonstration of negativity and quite a rude way to say hello to anyone.
Ranting at people the moment they walk through the door doesn't seem encouraging to me, or conducive to a proper exchange of ideas.
It must be very difficult to decide over the "noise" what people actually do want that's going to move things forward in a practical and profitable manner.
I'm sorry John but I in no way feel I've been rude at any point in this thread...I think that has been, over a few posts there, quite a demonstration of negativity and quite a rude way to say hello to anyone.
Ranting at people the moment they walk through the door doesn't seem encouraging to me, or conducive to a proper exchange of ideas.
It must be very difficult to decide over the "noise" what people actually do want that's going to move things forward in a practical and profitable manner.
I have been forthright and honest in a point of view I feel passionate about; and which I believe is shared by many Pentaxusers...
I am positive about Pentax... If I were not I would have fled to the dark side a while back...
New member PentaxUK appeared to come in an at least semi-official capacity (making false confirmations no less...) but I of course welcome him/her/they... I think it's great that the users of this forum have a bonafide Pentax representative to vent at and gain information of 'actual strategy' from... This should be as important to him/her/them as it is to us, as we are 'the man on the ground' so to speak...
As for being negative and non conductive to the exchange of ideas...
I'll go as far as to say that I'll agree to being cynical and argumentative...
Again... I am and remain positive about Pentax... I am and continue to be invested in Pentax...
But again questions must be asked as there are evident and consistent failures in the marketing of the brand that have had and continue to have a detrimental effect upon the brand as a whole...
I don't want to hurt the feelings or sensibilities of any man, woman or child but I won't be a 'Yes' man for anyone...
P.S @ PentaxUK... I am availible for hire if you feel you need someone to kick your marketing dept into touch... Seriously... I'm only a PM away...
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Jessops fall out with pentax at 13/04/2012 - 11:44
JAK wrote:
You're right David. From where I live on the Yorkshire coast I have to drive miles to see any Pentax stock in a Jessops store. Last weekend I went to have a look at the Q in our local store. I was advised that the nearest ones were in Leeds, 60 miles away where apparently they had four! What sense is there in that?
John
It's not just getting stock into stores that's the issue though... Pentax (maybe globally but definitely UK) has a complete lack of marketing strategy inherited from (probably before) the days of Hoya...You're right David. From where I live on the Yorkshire coast I have to drive miles to see any Pentax stock in a Jessops store. Last weekend I went to have a look at the Q in our local store. I was advised that the nearest ones were in Leeds, 60 miles away where apparently they had four! What sense is there in that?
John
Why; with Ricoh's pockets being so deep do we not see advertising on remotely the same scale as CaNikon?
Why do so many people not know that Pentax 'still' make cameras?
Why (even in those few instances where stock is in store) do sales assistants not know the actual specs/capabilities of the Pentax products in store; pushing new buyers towards CaNikon products?
Do these stores actually have a Pentax rep they can get information from?
These are questions (among others) that Pentax-Ricoh-Imaging-Corp should be asking of their marketing departments as they hand them their P45's...
Poor show...
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Jessops fall out with pentax at 13/04/2012 - 04:17
PentaxUK wrote:
Hi, there seems to have been some confusion here, we are pleased to confirm that the full range of Pentax products are being stocked in a number of Jessops stores nationwide and are available via the Pentax shop via the Jessops website:
http://www.jessops.com/directory/pentax-shop.aspx?cm_re=170212-_-Home-_-services...
PENTAX Ricoh Imaging UK Ltd.
You are kidding right?! Hi, there seems to have been some confusion here, we are pleased to confirm that the full range of Pentax products are being stocked in a number of Jessops stores nationwide and are available via the Pentax shop via the Jessops website:
http://www.jessops.com/directory/pentax-shop.aspx?cm_re=170212-_-Home-_-services...
PENTAX Ricoh Imaging UK Ltd.
I'm hoping that you are infact an official Pentax representative and not a troll; and that you actually spend some time on both this forum and the american one reading on what your users actually think... We're a wierd bunch that actually continue to invest in the K-mount system after having bought the camera and kit lens...
We all want to see Pentax compete with the big 2 ... We want adverts on the telly... We want to go out shooting and see other Pentax shooters... Sod it, you can go old-skool for me and put adverts on the side of buses...
We want to go into Jessops... See Pentax products and hear the same excitement from the staff in them as they have for CaNikon systems (this will involve Pentax-Reps actually visiting stores... You know, like in the olden days...)
Sort it out.
Rant done.
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Jessops fall out with pentax at 13/04/2012 - 01:47
I have the Tamron 17-50 2.8 and in terms of IQ... Awesome!
In terms of range.... It's a lowlight winner at 2.8 but 50mm is as long as it goes... Do you need more?
I wouldn't sell or swap but I'd consider the DA18-135 for its reach (and if you've a k20k7/k5) and WR...
In terms of range.... It's a lowlight winner at 2.8 but 50mm is as long as it goes... Do you need more?
I wouldn't sell or swap but I'd consider the DA18-135 for its reach (and if you've a k20k7/k5) and WR...
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on suggestions for walkaround lenses at 12/04/2012 - 22:51
For parking you are much better off on the other side of Robert's Park (walk through... cross bridge over the river...) as parking on Victoria Road (or anywhere in Saltaire village) is a nightmare!
Get the postcode for Salts Grammar School and your laughing!
Also easy train route from Leeds or Keighley/Skipton side... come out of station and follow majority of other rail users on to Victoria Road (50 feet) and walk downhill to the canal (pub between canal and river called BoatHouse)
Get the postcode for Salts Grammar School and your laughing!
Also easy train route from Leeds or Keighley/Skipton side... come out of station and follow majority of other rail users on to Victoria Road (50 feet) and walk downhill to the canal (pub between canal and river called BoatHouse)
Comment by DaveHolmes posted on Steam punk in Saltaire 21st April at 12/04/2012 - 00:46
In that case: while the is no visable advertising for the brand she's got a fairly easy life