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The fact is that if the sensor is making the "thunk sound" as it's rotated (sensor falling due to gravity) whilst an exposure is being made (or the camera is in cleaning mode) then it is faulty.
You say this is 'fact', but do you have an authority to cite for it?

I've now tested two K10Ds, bought at different times and places, both apparently functioning normally, and they both exhibit the thunk during long exposures, but only if SR is on.

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 15/02/2008 - 07:32

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And the reply, received today!

Thank you for your e-mail.

I am sorry to hear that you are having problems with your Pentax equipment. If you can send it in to Pentax House we shall get it checked for you.


Confused?

I am.
Clearly, unless they are so rushed off their feet that they have to resort to such fob-off techniques*, the Pentax support department is run by morons.

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* to get rid of the undoubted 75% or more that don't realise you have to actually charge the battery before it will work

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 14/02/2008 - 23:09

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I've just popped over and tried out the same experiment with my Dad's K10D, and the behaviour seems the same as mine.

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 14/02/2008 - 13:49

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Power off? I don't have to have my camera switched off to get the noise, and neither, it would seem, does CallumJ.
He should have said "when current isn't being supplied to the SR motor coils". They are only energized during an exposure and that's whether SR is on or off. You should be able to hear the clunk as you rotate the camera any other time. It's no mystery really.
Well you say it's no mystery, but CallumJ seems to be getting 'no clunk' during any exposure long enough to do the experiment, SR on or off. Whereas, I seem to be getting 'no clunk' only during exposures with SR off.

There has to be a reason for this difference, and without knowing what's supposed to be happening, it's impossible to know whether to be concerned, or whether one if us is just not being careful enough with our observations.

This is my point: without specific, accurate information, it's impossible to tell whether the camera is working correctly, and we are left either floundering around trying to deduce what should be happening from what appears to be happening, or resorting to "well does it seem to be producing good photos?" and muddling on regardless.

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 14/02/2008 - 13:14

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I asked a Pentax tech. in Canada, and he said it is indeed the sensor moving when the power is off because the electro-magnets aren't holding it anymore.
This is an example of how hard it is to get a definitive answer.

Power off? I don't have to have my camera switched off to get the noise, and neither, it would seem, does CallumJ.

Here we have two apparently identical, correctly functioning cameras (which firmware level is yours at, Callumj? Mine's at 1.3.), one which exhibits the behaviour at all times except during an exposure, and one which exhibits it at all times except during an exposure with SR off.

At best, "sensor moving when the power is off" is only a partial answer. Although I'm convinced now, that it is indeed the sensor.

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 14/02/2008 - 07:38

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Just tried rocking the camera in the way you have described, SR on and off, and still no noise.
Maybe, if our cameras are taking blur free pictures, we should stop worrying about it!
Not really worrying (it's yours that's bust, mate )

Joking apart, it is strange if there's genuinely different behaviour going on.

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Has anyone asked Pentax about it?
The trouble is, getting definitive answers from Pentax about anything seems to be a lot harder than it should be. So I think people tend to try and work it out themselves.

If you get any joy from them, let us know

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 13/02/2008 - 23:26

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Hmm, hmm,
Just tried it again on my camera (with the SR on) and no clunk.
Curious and curiouser!
You mentioned rocking from horizontal to vertical.

I'm rotating mine from more than vertical one way, to more than vertical the other way, so more than 180 degrees.

The thunk happens right at the extremes.

With SR off, it doesn't at all. I'm in a place quiet enough to be able to hear the thunk as well as feel it.

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 13/02/2008 - 23:13

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One way to put your mind at ease is to dial in a long exposure time, of 30 secs and rock your camera from horizontal to vertical, you will find there is no noise then.
I just tried this... during a 10s exposure, rocked the camera from portrait one way to portrait the other. Got the same slide thunk. However, I failed to get it with SR switched off, which I hadn't tried before.

Whatever the actual mechanics, I think this confirms that it's the sensor moving. Nice one.

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 13/02/2008 - 23:00

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I can't believe this is normal, so would much appreciate your advice.
It's perfectly normal, as is alarmed new K10D owners asking about it

Note to the not-so-new...

Do we yet have a definitive answer as to whether it's the sensor shifting or the orientation sensor?

I keep imagining that I recall K100D owners reporting the same quiet 'slide-thunk', and that the K100D doesn't have an orientation sensor... is this true?

Comment by ChrisA posted on K10 odd movement at 13/02/2008 - 21:58

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The bush behind and to the right in the first picture is sharper than the rocks I had focused on. Which leads me to think there is a problem with the K10D "back focusing".
If you think it's back-focusing, stop taking pictures out in the field, and photograph the test chart, available free here, under controlled conditions.

This is one of the easiest things to test, since it is very easy to eliminate technique errors.

Comment by ChrisA posted on Pentax A-50mm / f1:1.4 at 17/02/2008 - 10:41

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