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Another vote for the dell here. The LG IPS monitors are good value too though I think the 23" is currently £109 on hotukdeals..
Comment by cabstar posted on Replacement Monitor at 10/05/2013 - 18:17
Bit too much for me. £249 new at bristol cameras
Comment by cabstar posted on Selling my Professional Metz 58 AF-1 Digital Flash Gun for Pentax / Samsung at 10/05/2013 - 17:48
Price?
Comment by cabstar posted on Selling my Professional Metz 58 AF-1 Digital Flash Gun for Pentax / Samsung at 10/05/2013 - 11:15
Well now mikep has bought one again hopefully will keep the price low
Come on put a price on it....
Come on put a price on it....
Comment by cabstar posted on Sigma 100-300mm F4 selling at 09/05/2013 - 15:38
Nice set razor sharp isn't it
Comment by cabstar posted on DA50 f1.8 test outing, I like it at 08/05/2013 - 22:16
johnriley wrote:
We shouldn't be too dismissive of those who cannot afford subscriptions. I doubt very much that a youngster starting with first DSLR can afford a Photoshop subscription. I doubt that many pensioners looking for a post-retirement hobby will afford it either when heating and food are the priority and the value of their pensions going down. This sways the full Photoshop firmly into the Pro market, and of course the well off amateurs.
So for everyone else, some stand alone software will, as things stand, probably be the manufacturer's own as supplied with the camera, or Elements or Lightroom.
I'm using CS5 at the moment and it could quite happily have a 10 year lifespan. Cost: £300, therefore £30 per annum based on 10 years, £60 per annum based on 5 years. Even that could be too much for some.
That's fine John if you already have an old copy, but to buy PS right now is £600, how can a pensioner or someone just starting out afford to pay that in full up front? We shouldn't be too dismissive of those who cannot afford subscriptions. I doubt very much that a youngster starting with first DSLR can afford a Photoshop subscription. I doubt that many pensioners looking for a post-retirement hobby will afford it either when heating and food are the priority and the value of their pensions going down. This sways the full Photoshop firmly into the Pro market, and of course the well off amateurs.
So for everyone else, some stand alone software will, as things stand, probably be the manufacturer's own as supplied with the camera, or Elements or Lightroom.
I'm using CS5 at the moment and it could quite happily have a 10 year lifespan. Cost: £300, therefore £30 per annum based on 10 years, £60 per annum based on 5 years. Even that could be too much for some.
As you cannot buy PS secondhand due to licencing restrictions I don't see how your argument holds up. I still maintain the subscription method allows more people to buy PS and makes it more accessible.
Comment by cabstar posted on Adobe to discontinue standalone CS products at 08/05/2013 - 15:58
Smeggypants wrote:
Nothing lasts forever. I'm sure some were saying the British Empire was going to last forever at one point. The 'Dollar' isn't etched in stoen either.
Surely Scott Kelby wouldnt lie would he?? As for Nokia they are still the worlds second largest manufacturer of mobile phones, they may not lead the smartphone world but handsets are still selling well.cabstar wrote:
According to Scott Kelby Adobe currently have 500,000 current subscribers to their software. So they're are hardly going to go bust are they.
They have said lightroom will remain standalone, and subscription would offer new tools, the only extra I would pay for would be content aware and then I could dump PS altogether, saving me more cash
Don't be so sure. Firstly don't rely upon Internet hearsay for substanceless numbers of subscribers, secondly Look at a company like Nokia in the mobile business. They were the 'Adobe' of the day. Look at Kodak too.According to Scott Kelby Adobe currently have 500,000 current subscribers to their software. So they're are hardly going to go bust are they.
They have said lightroom will remain standalone, and subscription would offer new tools, the only extra I would pay for would be content aware and then I could dump PS altogether, saving me more cash
Nothing lasts forever. I'm sure some were saying the British Empire was going to last forever at one point. The 'Dollar' isn't etched in stoen either.
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They have said lightroom will remain standalone
And? What people and companies say and do can easily be two different things.They have said lightroom will remain standalone
As for the British Empire well thats politics for you
malcombe wrote:
I am utterly appalled at the decision by Adobe to withdraw the standalone software. I, like many many other photographers (who use Adobe) for their serious hobby purchased the software with the opportunity to upgrade as an when finances permit.
I accept that £600+ is a considerable outlay, but a regular monthly subscription to be budgeted every month is not an option for many hobby/serious photographers.
Adobe Photoshop is an excellent product-probably has much more than I will use on a regular basis, but nevertheless I chose to spend a lot of money on the upgrades.
The photographers of the world who use photoshop enhance their images, but don't make a profit for their efforts-pure satisfaction, are now going to be penalised especially those on low incomes or pensions.
GREED, PURE GREED, and I hope that Adobe senior management listen to all the adverse comments and reverse this stupid and irresponsible decision.
COME ON ADOBE MANAGEMENT SIT UP & LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS
So you would rather pay £600 and another huge sum every two or three years?? Where is the financial sense in that? Its not as if software has any resale value after you have bought it, have you tried selling on software on ebay lately? Last time I tried I got banned for a month as reselling software even legitimate software is not allowed so it has no resale value.I am utterly appalled at the decision by Adobe to withdraw the standalone software. I, like many many other photographers (who use Adobe) for their serious hobby purchased the software with the opportunity to upgrade as an when finances permit.
I accept that £600+ is a considerable outlay, but a regular monthly subscription to be budgeted every month is not an option for many hobby/serious photographers.
Adobe Photoshop is an excellent product-probably has much more than I will use on a regular basis, but nevertheless I chose to spend a lot of money on the upgrades.
The photographers of the world who use photoshop enhance their images, but don't make a profit for their efforts-pure satisfaction, are now going to be penalised especially those on low incomes or pensions.
GREED, PURE GREED, and I hope that Adobe senior management listen to all the adverse comments and reverse this stupid and irresponsible decision.
COME ON ADOBE MANAGEMENT SIT UP & LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS
I am guessing Adobe ARE listening to their customers, how are low income pensioners going to suffer? Surely they are now able to buy Photoshop on this monthly basis making it more accessible than ever before.
Adobe are a software company they do not have any responsibility for magazines which offer tutorials a bigger threat to magazines with tutorials are surely youtube tutorials, probably better too.
Smeggypants wrote:
People want to be in control. That's why they prefer to buy their home instead of renting it.
People want to buy software. That way they can choose when to upgrade and not be forced to keep paying a subscription for fear of the software becoming disabled from use.
Yes Photoshop CS6 might not be cheap to buy as a single outlay, but once you've bought it that's it. As long as you've got a machine it'll run on you can use it forever. Even if you fall on hard times.
See it's about "control"
How would you like it if you were forced to rent your Pentax DSLR and was forced to keep paying and forced to upgrade regardless of whether the latest version met your needs or not?
According to this 41% viewed adobe subscription as negative thats similar to how many people don't own their own home with 36% of housing stock in the UK currently rented. So your 99% figure is a little over exaggerated .giofi wrote:
But on the other hand this is the direction the software business is taking, it is becoming software as a service, that you use and pay for based on your needs. No initial large commitment and investment, you can scale up and down as you want, reduced maintenance costs, always the latest product available, platform independent, There are risks with the move, but if they got it right it might create a competitive advantage as it lowers significantly the investment needed to start using their products.
This is the direction Adobe has unwisely chosen to take. Given the reaction from 99.99% users who are dead against this move, this means other companies are going to get an increasing share of the imaging software market by actually selling products to users inste4ad of forcing them to rent them.But on the other hand this is the direction the software business is taking, it is becoming software as a service, that you use and pay for based on your needs. No initial large commitment and investment, you can scale up and down as you want, reduced maintenance costs, always the latest product available, platform independent, There are risks with the move, but if they got it right it might create a competitive advantage as it lowers significantly the investment needed to start using their products.
People want to be in control. That's why they prefer to buy their home instead of renting it.
People want to buy software. That way they can choose when to upgrade and not be forced to keep paying a subscription for fear of the software becoming disabled from use.
Yes Photoshop CS6 might not be cheap to buy as a single outlay, but once you've bought it that's it. As long as you've got a machine it'll run on you can use it forever. Even if you fall on hard times.
See it's about "control"
How would you like it if you were forced to rent your Pentax DSLR and was forced to keep paying and forced to upgrade regardless of whether the latest version met your needs or not?
I recently had to upgrade my laptop to Win 7 due to the new version of LR requiring it, times move on, how we buy software is also moving on. The days where we keep tech for a long time are long gone I feel, I replace my laptops and camera bodies every two years now, just to keep a warranty in place.
The biggest issue with the Adobe subscription method is change & humans do not like change, its against their nature
Comment by cabstar posted on Adobe to discontinue standalone CS products at 08/05/2013 - 10:57
According to Scott Kelby Adobe currently have 500,000 current subscribers to their software. So they're are hardly going to go bust are they.
They have said lightroom will remain standalone, and subscription would offer new tools, the only extra I would pay for would be content aware and then I could dump PS altogether, saving me more cash
They have said lightroom will remain standalone, and subscription would offer new tools, the only extra I would pay for would be content aware and then I could dump PS altogether, saving me more cash
Comment by cabstar posted on Adobe to discontinue standalone CS products at 08/05/2013 - 07:30
Loved the hens and stags portfolio
Comment by cabstar posted on Dougie Wallace - Street photography at 07/05/2013 - 21:03
Hi David
Thats just how I feel about the mki, i am looking at getting anothe mkii but just waiting a few weeks to see if the mkiis price falls.
My firend who shoots with a 1d mkiv was really impressed witt the focus speed of the mkii and 16-50mm I thinkmhis exact words where "wow!"
Thats just how I feel about the mki, i am looking at getting anothe mkii but just waiting a few weeks to see if the mkiis price falls.
My firend who shoots with a 1d mkiv was really impressed witt the focus speed of the mkii and 16-50mm I thinkmhis exact words where "wow!"
Comment by cabstar posted on Live at Leeds 2013 at 07/05/2013 - 20:53
