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Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 02/11/2013 - 03:23
No the NR was dramatically improved in Process Version 2012 versus PV201. You'll see when you upgrade to LR4 or LR5
This is what I am thinking of.
Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 31/10/2013 - 09:30
The 100% images result in different magnifications with the K-3 and K-5, thus introducing another variable.
What would we conclude the significance of that would be?
In other words, I tested for a real-world situation, printing at my favourite size, eliminating any other debates about how to compare.
Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 31/10/2013 - 09:00
Does anybody actually shoot at these iso levels anyway? I don't think I've ever gone above 6400 and even then incredibly rarely.
The reason we don't go above ISO 6400 or whatever is because the result is bad. If it wasn't, surely we would?
I have gone up to ISO 12,800 with my K-5IIs this year. With careful choice of parameters in Lightroom the results were very sharp, and the noise, while there, wasn't intrusive or objectionable. And with some trickery in Photoshop I could have reduced the noise even further.
Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 31/10/2013 - 08:53
OK, downloaded the ISO 51200 DNG's of K3 and K-5 from Imaging resource....
Imported into Lightroom 4.2 and applied my standard NR settings for ISO52100 to each. I have to say the K-5 beats the K-3 hands down. And it's not just colour noise. the colour noise setting in LR4.2 on these 21/100. Even wacking it up to 100/100 on the k3 version, still left loads more luminance noise than the K-5 version.
The next step was to increase the luminance setting ( which is on 47/100 for these examples ) so that the K-3's luminance noise levels roughly equalled that of the K-5. Somewhere around 70/100 did the trick but left that hideous 69th generation VHS copy smear that high NR gives.
I will soon know. The latest Track & Trace for my K-3 reads:
31-10-2013 - 06:32 - Manchester Piccadilly Depot - Loaded to vehicle for delivery
Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 31/10/2013 - 08:48
Consider upgrading to LR4 or 5. Noise reduction is much better, as is the overall processing.
Yes, I will be upgrading to the latest versions of Lightroom and Photoshop when I have upgraded my Victorian-era Windows XP PC to something more recent! Thanks.
Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 31/10/2013 - 08:42
Could be that Lightroom needs an update to understand how to deal with K-3 files. The camera is not officially out in the wild just yet.
I expect Adobe will eventually create their own camera profile for the K-3, but I never use Adobe profiles. I'll create my own for the K-3, just as I have for all my previous cameras.
Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 31/10/2013 - 05:47
No software noise defaults would be expected to deal with such extreme high iso. It is not unexpected that you`d need much higher corrections. Perhaps your results are not unexpected either?
When my K-3 arrives in a week or so I will have to experiment to get a feel for how hard I can push it within the range that Lightroom can handle. My K-5IIs will become my back-up camera, always reasonably accessible, so if the K-3 turns out not to be as good in this case as the K-5IIs I won't be too upset, because I will have the latter to fall back on. But I would obviously prefer to be able to stick with just my K-3.
Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 30/10/2013 - 10:25
Interesting.
As kind of expected ( although I had my fingers crossed to the contrary ) there's hardly any difference between the noise performance at high ISOs between the K-5 and K-3
I had to increase the K-3 noise parameters to Luminance 75, Colour 50, before there was approximate equivalence of print quality.
I don't know whether such different parameters should be expected, but the Lightroom default for Colour is 25, and that is normally enough.
Up to about ISO 6400 I don't think there is much difference between the K-3 and the K-5IIs. Above that things diverge.
Comment by BarryPearson posted on K-3 studio test shots now on Imaging Resource at 29/10/2013 - 23:10
In a nutshell: The periodic sensor-based blurring movement is of course not instantaneous but takes time; it operates at 500 Hz. Hence, towards faster shutter speeds, a given region on the sensor will not be exposed to the full blur movement anymore but only to some fraction of it. Which phase of the periodic blur movement is "seen" by a pixel then depends on the pixel's position on the sensor. Some phases of the blur movement are more effective in terms of the desired AA-smearing effect than others (e.g., a full horizontal movement is better than half of it going forward and then backward, hence not covering as many sensels). As a result, the smearing effect will not be the same across the image, but will vary across it (in the vertical shutter travel direction).
In effect, the effect will be evenly distributed across the sensor if the shutter exposes the sensor for an exact multiple of the vibration period. If there are multiple vibrations per exposure, any difference caused by one incomplete vibration is likely to be insignificant.
(I wonder if I should say "an exact multiple of half the vibration period"? If the vibration is symmetrical, half a vibration should do the trick).
The IR article quotes Ricoh/Pentax as "fully functional up to 1/1000th second". That presumably excludes "fully functional" for studio flash. It will be interesting to see what "partially functional" means for studio flash. But this is a separate matter - unlike shutter-based exposure, flash-exposure presumably acts evenly over the whole sensor.
Comment by BarryPearson posted on Interesting Reading about simulated AA filter of K-3 at 28/10/2013 - 10:09


Interesting. There's a lot more colour noise, but that's easier to deal with, and there's quite a bit more detail in the k3 shot too.
(In all other respects so far, the K-3 is a better camera than the K-5IIs. It is faster in operation, for example 3-image bracketing appears much faster. But unless I find that I've been doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with the Imaging Resource DNGs, I'll probably use my K-5IIs rather than my K-3 for high ISO photography. I'm still testing this).