You can get photoshop CS2 for free ad Adobe.
If you combine that with Lightroom you should have a very powerful package.

Lowered the price to £119 including shipping in the EU.
Outside the EU it will be £5 extra.


The ways of money exchange will need to be discuss if it doesn't involve Euro's

So far as it look both lenses are sold to people with an EURO account so that problem is sorted

Lightroom use ACR for his editing so everything you can do in ACR you can do in Lightroom. One of the bonus is that it's completely integrated and it's very easy to apply a setting to another photo.
Also Lightroom remembers all the changes you do so you can easily skip back to an earlier date or even make a "clone" image with certain settings which you can edit separately further as well.

We mostly do Fashion now and we both use lightroom and photoshop for our work.
In lightroom we manage all the photos, make selection and do the processing of the RAW. It's quite easy to get all images in 1 line their since they are basically next to each other. Then we open the image up in photoshop and clean the skin and such and sometimes add special effects with the layers.

So in lightroom we make a proper photo and with photoshop we make something special out of it.

In lightroom 5 they added a couple of features so it should now be easier to clone out unwanted objects and such.

So for your normal photography Lightroom these days is enough for most.
If you need layers or add text

I would actually suggest a larger card.
I've lost 2 cards so if i had 1 big card in the camera i would not have lost those.
The stories about cards getting broken are far in between.

Hi Nigel,

My explaination is certainly simplstic but you don't go into a lot of details either.
Both have ACR and elements is used for photoshop style editing, you aren't saying a lot more then i am...

What i'm trying to say is that both programs have different uses.


Lightroom is geared to the photographer specificly and it handles the manangement of the photos, you can adjust the photos with mostly "overall" adjustments and you have several ways of outputting them.

Elements is more meant as an creative tool, as you can say you can use layers, mix photos, really throw the pixels around and create new pixels.

So if you want to create content, movie posters, photo collage for example then Element like programs are what you need.

If you want to adjust the brightness, contrast, whitebalance and make your photos black and white, add some vignetting effects and add some noise to make them look old or... clean up all the photo defects by removing noise and dust on the photo then programs like ligtroom are designed to do specficly that.
Elements can also do that but if you need to do that with more then 10 photos then i'm 100% sure lightroom is a better investment.

I've an paypal account but i'm not keen on using it. I'm more then willing to give my IBAN and the bank BIC information.

Like i said there should be little to no transfer costs between EURO accounts and with an UK account it's about 4 pounds for each.

With paypal it will cost you almost 10 GBP to transfer 279 GBP and i believe you also pay for transfer the money to your bank account.

Got an question about posting.

I live in the Netherlands so i included the shipping cost to the UK indeed in it.
They will be send with track and trace, insured and you need to sign a receive on delivery.

I'm willing to including shipping all over the EU, outside will include a small extra fee.



About exchange cost, if it goes between banks then those cost are automaticly shared. Those cost for me are 6 euro's accoriding my bank so about 4 GBP for you. Between Euro accounts there is no such fee as far as i can tell.
So i should actually let people in the UK pay extra for it, but i won't

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8219582047/raw-converter-showdown-capture-one-p...

No need to reinvent the wheel right

As for elements vs lightroom
Elements is a pixel editor and lightroom an raw converter, 2 very different things.

If you want to "adjust" photos then use lightroom.
Do you want to "create" then use element.

Also selling my Cokin Z Pro Grad ND Kit U960 + 98B infrared filter + 3 lens filter adapters.
Cokin Z-pro filter is 100mm wide so it fit many other brands.
The filter holder can be adapted and fitted reverse so that they work on wide lenses, even on medium format camera's.
The filters themselves are a step up from the standard version and made from biological glass.

The package on sale here includes:
1 x Cokin Filter Case
1 x Cokin Filter Holder
1 x Grad Grey ND2 (121L)
1 x Grad Grey ND4 (121M)
1 x Grad Grey ND8 (121S)
1 x Z-0007 98B infrared filter
4 x Filter Wallets
1 x 58mm Adapter ring
1 x 62mm
1 x 77mm

The whole set can go for £129 including shipping.


cheers,