andrewk

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dougf8 wrote:
The club needs a better projector that can display pixel for pixel images.
Agreed, but small clubs often do not have the funds to buy a good projector with a native resolution of 1400x1050 - most are well into 4 figures.

When I said "It worked fine", I meant Dicentra. The projector worked about as well as can be expected.

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Digital Projector Resolution at 25/04/2014 - 13:37

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We (Oldham CC) used DiCentra for the first time a couple of weeks back. All images were 1400x1050 - but the projector resolution is 1024x768. It worked fine.

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Digital Projector Resolution at 25/04/2014 - 01:12

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You can calibrate a projector using a colormunki too. We did at Oldham CC a month or so back - improved it no end.

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Projector Colour Temperature at 24/04/2014 - 17:02

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The "darkest" DNG did encompass pretty much the whole dynamic range of the scene. The sensor's dynamic range is (close to) adequate, providing you expose to just avoid blowing highlights. If a conventionally "correct" exposure had been used, the highlights would have been blown - as in the "darker" DNG.

The processing that was applied to the "darkest" DNG was largely to correct midtones. Lightroom did have to raise shadows substantially to restore detail but the increase in resulting noise isn't at all obvious visually.

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Across Riddlesdown, at 14mm at 10/04/2014 - 10:57

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gwing wrote:
Have we then now accepted that HDR isn't 'necessary' to produce a reasonable rendition of this scene and are now solely discussing which technique can produce the best results?
For both the images "darker" and "darkest" captured by Nigel, I think post processing technology is now such that a reasonable rendition of the scene can be produced without using HDR software. For other scenes, that may not be the case.

I think it is important to do whatever is possible to capture the best image(s) to minimise the extent of the post processing required. In general, I try to ETTR (Expose To The Right) but may also use ND grads or take bracketed shots if I think that might give me a better result.

As a rule, it would probably only occur to me to use HDR software if I thought it was imposssible to get a decent result without it - e.g. photo of something in a cave that also included part of the entrance or the example Smeggy gave of lit shop windows on a poorly lit street. In most/all of those cases, I'd want to use a tripod.

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Across Riddlesdown, at 14mm at 09/04/2014 - 11:58

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I did - I used LR/Enfuse in Lightroom to merge your "darker" and "darkest" DNGs into a single JPEG. There is no practical difference between that and the JPEG just from "darkest".

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Across Riddlesdown, at 14mm at 08/04/2014 - 19:24

andrewk
McGregNi wrote:
How do you think it performed in this series of shots?
It is hard to tell for images at that size - it looks "OK". There is no EXIF data - so I don't know what apertures you used. The "darkest" DNG is a bit soft in the bottom LH corner, but that could be a focussing issue.

So what do you reckon? Would you recommend the lens?

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Across Riddlesdown, at 14mm at 07/04/2014 - 23:32

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McGregNi wrote:
for me the examples and detailed compared at close range, and the effort expended to get near to the HDR with the single files makes a clear case to me for HDR for this scene, and others similar.
Fine. I hope you enjoy it. I don't really understand why you think there is extra effort in processing a single RAW -- just a matter of twiddling a few sliders in Lightroom, maybe a couple of minutes. It's a very intuitive tool and the process could hardly be easier.

On a side issue, I found it interesting that you used the Samyang 14mm f/2.8 lens. I've been wondering whether to get one of those for a while.

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Across Riddlesdown, at 14mm at 07/04/2014 - 18:40

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McGregNi wrote:
Does it seem so clear cut now?
Very clear cut. If you prefer your HDR images - then use HDR. I don't, so I won't - unless the scene demands it's use, but that is relatively very rare.

Simples ......

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Across Riddlesdown, at 14mm at 07/04/2014 - 16:07

andrewk
McGregNi wrote:
How can this be any good for IQ? The camera sensor records most of its quality data in the upper half of the spectrum - thats the rationale behind 'ETTR'.
Yep

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By underexposing most of the scene are we not throwing away so much of the best quality data the camera could record?
Nope.

The highlight detail that was correctly exposed (in the "under exposed" image) would be used by the HDR software anyway. The area where the HDR software might be expected to gain (compared with using only your "darkest" image) is in the shadows, where a few percent of the darkest pixels have an RGB value of zero in your "darkest" DNG - but that isn't visually obvious.

Andrew

Comment by andrewk posted on Across Riddlesdown, at 14mm at 07/04/2014 - 15:26

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