Windows 8

Johnwnjr
Posted 06/01/2013 - 10:59 Link
I have stuck with Windows 7 on my Desktop but needed a laptop to run some of my new AVs. I ordered a Windows 7 machine but received a Windows 8 one, which I decided to try. Like most of the comments above I experienced difficulty with the new opening screen, and decided to try installing a 'classic shell' which takes you straight to the old Windows 7 opening screen, and includes the start button. Also it helps close down. It is a free download from www.snipca.com/7907. This is mentioned in Computeractive 9-22nd January, and although I have found some of their suggestions not good, this one does just what I required.
mdc
Posted 06/01/2013 - 15:23 Link
McGregNi wrote:
mdc wrote:
McGregNi wrote:
Asked the sales guy to demo how to quickly get to a desktop screen like windows 7 so I could start copying files over and installing software - well it went fairly pear-shaped from there. Explorer shortcut on taskbar was invalid, couldn't get any libraries to open, when eventually he managed to 'search' on the metro screen and find a 'computer' folder (apparently the only way???) the DVD drive was missing (physically it was there).

Also clicking on the live tiles opened full screen images with no menus or seemingly any way to control them. I know I just need to learn it all but frankly, I'll have to try and uninstall all the apps for social media first, then learn a new way to navigate around. The sales guy also said people were having trouble installing full versions of programs if an 'app' version was pre-installed.
Sorry, but all of these "issues" are just an example of the sales guy not having a clue lol. There's nothing wrong with the shortcut to explorer on the taskbar, and Metro is SUPPOSED to be fullscreen. Also, there's physically no way that Metro apps can conflict with desktop apps and vice-versa, it's a completely separate, sandboxed environment.
No, you're wrong. There're an example of the OS interface not providing what this customer wants, so he won't be buying it.

I clicked on the windows shortcut many times myself, every time up comes an error message 'invalid shortcut'. Actually the Peter Jones guy was very knowledgable in general, He was realistic about the options and didn't try to push something that apparently didn't work and was unsuitable for the user. If he had a windows 7 machine for sale with suitable specs I'd have bought it from him.
I'm not "wrong"; I stated a fact. On a vanilla install (one that hasn't been BROKEN by someone attempting to do something "clever", the Explorer link works fine. And even if it DID get corrupted, for whatever reason, all you have to do is unpin it, run explorer.exe, right click its icon on the taskbar and click "Pin to Taskbar". But as I said, out of the box, it works fine.

Also, RE: the Start Button, it's still there; if you sling your mouse down to the bottom left hand corner, it appears; it's just auto-hidden by default as it takes up unnecessary screen real estate. In addition, most keyboards have TWO Windows Keys on them, and there's a massive Start Button on the charms bar (WinKey+C, or mouse to bottom right corner).

In addition, right clicking in the bottom left or pressing WinKey+X, pops up THIS little beauty:

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Which is quite possibly the best feature ever included in an operating system. The menu's actually completely customizable as well, so you can add your own shortcuts to admin tasks in there.
McGregNi
Posted 06/01/2013 - 20:45 Link
I am not doubting your knowledge of the OS and how it is supposed to run 'out the box'. I am saying that it was was wrong of you to disregard and push aside the very real initial experiences of 'this customer', which were poor enough to convince me that (for now) I will avoid the new OS.

In moving to a new machine I need security that the interface will provide me with a rock solid reflection of the content I place on the machine, every time 100%, and reassurance that my current collection of software will install and run smoothly, and that I'll be able to easily and quickly configure things as I do now. That is the experience I need at this point. I determined that this new product would not provide that.

I am willing to spend time in future reading up and learning about new Windows features and how to configure it, but that'll take time, and no doubt things will be adjusted as a result of user feedback. For now I don't have that time, and I need to just upgrade to a faster machine and keep on doing my stuff. So the new OS is not for me.
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Smeggypants
Posted 06/01/2013 - 21:28 Link
woodworm wrote:
You can't turn off the Metro interface in Windows 8, there is no 'classic' option, though there are 3rd party bits of software that will put the start menu back, etc.

I've had a play with it and didn't have any issues personally, though I do tend to launch most things from the Run dialog box or use keyboard shortcuts anyway and all these are the same in Windows 8 as previous versions. Losing the 'Start' button isn't the issue a lot of people make it out to be.

I don't have the urge to rush out and upgrade though.
Sigh. When 3td party solutions leap to the rescue it says something. Looks like the cycle of every alternative windows being rubbish continues.

Friend of mine installed Windows 8 recently. After he'd used it for about a week, I asked him what benefits a windows 7 user would get in upgrading. "nothing!" was the reply. He didn't like the new interface.
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wvbarnes
Posted 06/01/2013 - 22:45 Link
It's just a big start menu that fills the page if you ignore the Apps. The on off has simply moved with the search to the right (Windows C is the shortcut) . You can toggle the two with the Windows key. I don't know what the fuss is about.
thespirit3
Posted 17/01/2013 - 11:26 Link
On a side note - tyronet2000 - have you tried Darktable under Linux? How do you find it compares to LightRoom? I'd be interested in hearing any comments you have on this. I use Darktable / Linux exclusively so have zero experience with LR.
tyronet2000
Posted 17/01/2013 - 12:39 Link
thespirit3 wrote:
On a side note - tyronet2000 - have you tried Darktable under Linux? How do you find it compares to LightRoom? I'd be interested in hearing any comments you have on this. I use Darktable / Linux exclusively so have zero experience with LR.
Sorry can't help. The only "linux" type program I run is FreeNAS based on FreeBSD a Unix derivative, which is running on an old Compaq computer as a server. It has a couple of 300gb hard drives drives and is used as a photo dump and one day I'll get around to deleting the rubbish (99%) stored on it

This is a freenas 7 box am told freenas 8 is a nightmare
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