Why Pentax needs full frame
Posted 14/01/2015 - 22:46
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jules wrote:
If Ricoh/Pentax bring one to the market, I don't see them selling very many, if it's too whacko (Huge K-S1) no one will warm to it, or too Samey, why would they want it? As Richard has pointed out nearly all Ricoh/Pentax's old USP's are now covered by other brands, at the high end. I still feel that Pentax have a lot to offer at the enthusiast end, they pretty much out spec anything at their price levels, something it would be hard to do with "FF", as the like of Nikon have just finished covering all the bases and I'm lead to believe Canon wiill not be far behind, Sony has the small "FF" angle now amply covered too. Happily though Ricoh/Pentax build in good margins which keep them happy and their clients (Shops/online sellers) happy too, somehow they always seem to be discounted and that keeps us happy (Mostly). I don't think a "FF" Camera would save that which to be honest doesn't really need saving, it is desirable for them to have one in the range but not essential.
"FF" DSLR, Won't make or break Ricoh/Pentax...
Nor will it really help them grow, or cause them to shrink...
Mirrorless, in all it's guises, now thats a different matter...
I go likewise with Steve's disclaimer too!
I suspect this man may be talking some sense ^^^
SteveLedger wrote:
If Ricoh release a Pentax branded FF then they stand to lose money if sales are poor.
As I see it, logic suggests that anyone that really needs a FF camera for their business or work, already has one.
Those who fancy a FF DSLR with the Pentax name on it and are waiting patiently all these years, obviously don't actually need one.
I'm sure this is how Ricoh will be thinking too.
Disclaimer: The above is my opinion only.
It's how I'm thinking Steve, took me eight (or is it nine?) go's with "FF" to realise I didn't really need it, Ok I'm a slow learner! Far more chance of me going smaller, now than larger having passed fifty, with bad knees to boot! As you say, If somebody needed it and I mean truly, as in it was hurting their business, not to have it, and they hadn't already bought a "FF", then they deserve to go out of business to be honest.50mpCMOS wrote:
Let me also stress again, Pentax is losing considerable money in not doing it.
You can't lose something that you haven't first got.Let me also stress again, Pentax is losing considerable money in not doing it.
If Ricoh release a Pentax branded FF then they stand to lose money if sales are poor.
As I see it, logic suggests that anyone that really needs a FF camera for their business or work, already has one.
Those who fancy a FF DSLR with the Pentax name on it and are waiting patiently all these years, obviously don't actually need one.
I'm sure this is how Ricoh will be thinking too.
Disclaimer: The above is my opinion only.
If Ricoh/Pentax bring one to the market, I don't see them selling very many, if it's too whacko (Huge K-S1) no one will warm to it, or too Samey, why would they want it? As Richard has pointed out nearly all Ricoh/Pentax's old USP's are now covered by other brands, at the high end. I still feel that Pentax have a lot to offer at the enthusiast end, they pretty much out spec anything at their price levels, something it would be hard to do with "FF", as the like of Nikon have just finished covering all the bases and I'm lead to believe Canon wiill not be far behind, Sony has the small "FF" angle now amply covered too. Happily though Ricoh/Pentax build in good margins which keep them happy and their clients (Shops/online sellers) happy too, somehow they always seem to be discounted and that keeps us happy (Mostly). I don't think a "FF" Camera would save that which to be honest doesn't really need saving, it is desirable for them to have one in the range but not essential.
"FF" DSLR, Won't make or break Ricoh/Pentax...
Nor will it really help them grow, or cause them to shrink...
Mirrorless, in all it's guises, now thats a different matter...
I go likewise with Steve's disclaimer too!
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Mike
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Mike
Pentax K5 / Pentax K5 11/ Pentax K200D / Canon Rebel T1 i / Canon 650D / Pentax MX-1 / Fuji XF1 /Fuji X 10 / Canon EOS-M / Canon G10/ Pentax Mz-7 x 2
Posted 15/01/2015 - 04:30
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SteveLedger wrote:
Those who fancy a FF DSLR with the Pentax name on it and are waiting patiently all these years, obviously don't actually need one.
I'm sure this is how Ricoh will be thinking too.
Disclaimer: The above is my opinion only.
I read the above segment twice to make sure I didn't misinterpret your meaning.Those who fancy a FF DSLR with the Pentax name on it and are waiting patiently all these years, obviously don't actually need one.
I'm sure this is how Ricoh will be thinking too.
Disclaimer: The above is my opinion only.
How is fancying a FF DSLR the same as needing one?
I use a couple of FF DSLR’s on a regular basis alongside my Pentax DSLR's.
I don’t need any of them, I choose to use them due to the different results available under different shooting conditions.
For all of the reasons some people don’t want this or that, there are reasons that others do.
It would be nice to be able to use my Pentax Ltd’s on a FF Pentax DSLR.
If Pentax do launch a FF DSLR and a number of current Pentax users don’t want one, they probably won’t buy one. It really is that simple.
Best regards
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Too far from a shore.
Posted 15/01/2015 - 05:37
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Quite true Gary.
Bottom line, we'll all have to wait and see, Pentax and now Ricoh/Pentax seem to be a company that is willing to take a punt? (K-S1/Q-S1) There is therefore every chance they will try "FF" at some point and why not. They seem to build in better margin than the competition and survive pretty well on selling less and selling to more niche markets, as in the aforementioned cameras which sell quite well in the Asian markets. Every independant or small group camera outfit I talk to likes selling Pentax because they actually make a little on the bodies unlike the big three, I don't think the question shold really be "If" but "When"? It'll happen but what form will it take? Will one model suffice, will it please the majority, will it be a do it all wonder DSLR, that the punters are baying for? How different will it be, will it even be a DSLR? It is going to be very difficult for Ricoh/Pentax to please anybody really with one Unicorn. Unfortunately they are going to have to produce a range of Unicorns, dare I say it, of different colours???
I've looked at the leaves in me tea and nothing...
Bottom line, we'll all have to wait and see, Pentax and now Ricoh/Pentax seem to be a company that is willing to take a punt? (K-S1/Q-S1) There is therefore every chance they will try "FF" at some point and why not. They seem to build in better margin than the competition and survive pretty well on selling less and selling to more niche markets, as in the aforementioned cameras which sell quite well in the Asian markets. Every independant or small group camera outfit I talk to likes selling Pentax because they actually make a little on the bodies unlike the big three, I don't think the question shold really be "If" but "When"? It'll happen but what form will it take? Will one model suffice, will it please the majority, will it be a do it all wonder DSLR, that the punters are baying for? How different will it be, will it even be a DSLR? It is going to be very difficult for Ricoh/Pentax to please anybody really with one Unicorn. Unfortunately they are going to have to produce a range of Unicorns, dare I say it, of different colours???
I've looked at the leaves in me tea and nothing...
Cheers Jules...
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My other viewfinder is 5.76,000,000.
www.exaggeratedperspectives.com
Posted 15/01/2015 - 06:05
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K10D wrote:
How is fancying a FF DSLR the same as needing one?
Unfortunately you still managed to misread. Your interpretation is not what I said at all..
SteveLedger wrote:
Those who fancy a FF DSLR with the Pentax name on it and are waiting patiently all these years, obviously don't actually need one.
I'm sure this is how Ricoh will be thinking too.
Disclaimer: The above is my opinion only.
I read the above segment twice to make sure I didn't misinterpret your meaning.Those who fancy a FF DSLR with the Pentax name on it and are waiting patiently all these years, obviously don't actually need one.
I'm sure this is how Ricoh will be thinking too.
Disclaimer: The above is my opinion only.
How is fancying a FF DSLR the same as needing one?
Posted 15/01/2015 - 07:03
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Point taken Steve,
Did I omit "with the Pentax name on it"?
As that translates to no choice but to wait or buy another brand.
Do please enlighten.
Best regards
Did I omit "with the Pentax name on it"?
As that translates to no choice but to wait or buy another brand.
Do please enlighten.
Best regards
Too far from a shore.
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There's something in the labelling, isn't there? When something is called FULL frame, it's hard not to feel, almost subliminally, that anything less must be deficient.
'Full' could also mean no room left to expand or grow