which flash gun to choose?

George Lazarette
Posted 02/09/2008 - 08:59 Link
Mongoose wrote:
Although it [the Sigma 530ST] lacks advanced features like wireless and HSS, it has Bounce, swivel and PTTL, so what more could an occasional flash user want?
Compatibility with future Pentax bodies?

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ChrisA
Posted 02/09/2008 - 10:00 Link
Mongoose wrote:
Although it lacks the advanced features like wireless and HSS, it has Bounce, swivel and PTTL, so what more could an occasional flash user want?
I'm an occasional flash user, and I'm finding that I'm using wireless more and more as the default.

I wouldn't be without it now.
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Lilly
Posted 02/09/2008 - 10:59 Link
Mongoose wrote:
Lilly wrote:
I think I am going to go for the Sigma EF-500DG, seen at Photosolution for £155,
my 530ST was £109 from SRS.

Although it lacks the advanced features like wireless and HSS, it has Bounce, swivel and PTTL, so what more could an occasional flash user want?
True, but have been thinking being able to use it off the camera wd be cool for subtle lighting for interior shots, might kick myself for not spending the extra! What is HSS please?
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ChrisA
Posted 02/09/2008 - 11:08 Link
Lilly wrote:
What is HSS please?
High Speed Sync.

When the exposure is shorter than the sync speed, the flash unit emits a burst of flashes during the exposure, so that as the narrowed gap between the shutter curtains travels down, each part of the frame gets lit.

This has practical use when you're using fill-in flash, and with the aperture you want, you need a shorter exposure for the ambient light than the camera's sync speed.
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Edited by ChrisA: 02/09/2008 - 11:09
amoringello
Posted 02/09/2008 - 11:37 Link
Not sure how "practical" HSS is, at least for me, it is only effective up to perhaps a meter at full power. So it's use is still quite limited.
I would not loose sleep over not having it.

Wireless on the other hand... priceless.
Edited by amoringello: 02/09/2008 - 11:38
Mongoose
Posted 03/09/2008 - 01:18 Link
George Lazarette wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Although it [the Sigma 530ST] lacks advanced features like wireless and HSS, it has Bounce, swivel and PTTL, so what more could an occasional flash user want?
Compatibility with future Pentax bodies?

G
as with all things you pays your money and takes your choice. But since Lilly is already intending to buy the Sigma 500DG, it seems reasonable to assume that the newer 530 will have at least as good forward compatibility.

Furthermore, Pentax themselves don't have a particularly good recent record with backward compatibility to their own flashguns.

It seems to me the only brand you can go for with reasonable certainty of compatibility with future bodies is Metz, since the AF48 and AF54 both have USB upgradable firmware.
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George Lazarette
Posted 03/09/2008 - 09:26 Link
Mongoose wrote:
Furthermore, Pentax themselves don't have a particularly good recent record with backward compatibility to their own flashguns.

It seems to me the only brand you can go for with reasonable certainty of compatibility with future bodies is Metz, since the AF48 and AF54 both have USB upgradable firmware.
Pentax have changed their flash system once in the past twenty years (P-TTL in 2001); and like previous major changes, this required a change to the functionality of the camera body. When there is a fundamental change to the technology, some incompatibility is inevitable.

The problem with Sigma guns is that they sometimes don't work with later cameras using existing technology.

It is unlikely that any third-party guns, however upgradeable, would have been able to cope with the 2001 change in technology. They may however be able to improve functionality within an existing technology. So although Metz is a better bet than Sigma, if Pentax makes another big change, Metz will be sunk too.

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Lilly
Posted 03/09/2008 - 10:00 Link
I never realised life could be so complicated trying to choose a flash gun! I am getting more and more indecisive.....
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hefty1
Posted 03/09/2008 - 11:00 Link
Lilly wrote:
I never realised life could be so complicated trying to choose a flash gun! I am getting more and more indecisive.....
Then bite the bullet and buy a Pentax AF360FGZ. It's good value for money, works without any compatibility problems, gives a wide range of features (probably more than you'll ever need) and unless you're looking to light up the Albert Hall has plenty enough power.

There may be cheaper units out there, and better featured units out there, but as a good all-round workhorse to cover 99% of all situations then the 360 can't be beaten.
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George Lazarette
Posted 03/09/2008 - 11:03 Link
My most used flashgun is the one with the best manual control - the AF-500FTZ.

But for parties, the AF-360FGZ comes into its own. Grab a second-hand one, and never look back.

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George Lazarette
Posted 03/09/2008 - 11:11 Link
Here you are:

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Lilly
Posted 07/09/2008 - 16:08 Link
hefty1 wrote:
Lilly wrote:
I never realised life could be so complicated trying to choose a flash gun! I am getting more and more indecisive.....
Then bite the bullet and buy a Pentax AF360FGZ. It's good value for money, works without any compatibility problems, gives a wide range of features (probably more than you'll ever need) and unless you're looking to light up the Albert Hall has plenty enough power.

There may be cheaper units out there, and better featured units out there, but as a good all-round workhorse to cover 99% of all situations then the 360 can't be beaten.
RIGHT, I have decided!!! I am going to go for the Pentax AF-360FGZ, just returned from local dog show and was asked to take pic of best in show with mayor and judge etc.. ! so wish I had had flash for fillin, so, biting the bullet this pm and ordering from Amazon, they seem to be cheaper than SRS, but not sure, will do more hunting!

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ChrisA
Posted 07/09/2008 - 16:22 Link
Lilly wrote:
Then bite the bullet and buy a Pentax AF360FGZ.
Just to muddy the waters for you once more, I notice that Amazon have sorted out their pricing on the Samsung equivalent of the AF540. The only drawback is that there does seem to be a bit of a wait for it.

It's only a little more than the Pentax AF360, and includes more power, and swivel. I've had one for a few months now, and now that I've got the hang of it, I'm very pleased.
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Edited by ChrisA: 07/09/2008 - 16:23
Lilly
Posted 12/09/2008 - 00:23 Link
HELP please! Well my AF-360FGZ arrived today and I am up at 1am very unhappy! I dont know what I am doing wrong but I cant seem to get the flash gun to fire when it is on my K10D. The test button works OK when charged, what settings should the K10D be on to use flash?
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Edited by Lilly: 12/09/2008 - 00:23
Lilly
Posted 12/09/2008 - 00:30 Link
I dont understand, I took it off and started again and it has fired! Is there an issue with bad connection on hot shoe?
Can you also tell me about the OFF & ON button on flash gun, when swirtching it on does one go half way to the right or all the way over to right, I dont understand why there is a middle setting between OFF & ON?
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