what is art
Posted 13/03/2010 - 10:51
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thoramay wrote:
robbie. It is interesting that only you have ressponded in negative terms. You are putting your assuptions onto my shoulders and then accusing me. I do not need to defend myself for my opinions. Just read again what I have written very carefully.
thoramay.
I am truely pleased, with one exception, the way this debate has been conducted in such a civil manner.
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robbie. It is interesting that only you have ressponded in negative terms. You are putting your assuptions onto my shoulders and then accusing me. I do not need to defend myself for my opinions. Just read again what I have written very carefully.
thoramay.
I am truely pleased, with one exception, the way this debate has been conducted in such a civil manner.
If you can't say something nice about Pentax, you won't say anything at all.
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 11:18
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"What is art?"
All things to all mankind.
All photography is not art- some of us are "artists", some are "technicians" and some a bit of both.
Why aren't you out taking pictures instead of reading this?
Sorry for the series of glib one-liners but do you feel you have achieved anything after six pages when it comes down to a series of acrimonious exchanges?
Peter
All things to all mankind.
All photography is not art- some of us are "artists", some are "technicians" and some a bit of both.
Why aren't you out taking pictures instead of reading this?
Sorry for the series of glib one-liners but do you feel you have achieved anything after six pages when it comes down to a series of acrimonious exchanges?
Peter
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 12:42
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Stefan. You are right. I have not progressed one bit in my search. First I agree with a point made, then I find another viewpoint I like, then another goes right over my head.
I am a child of the soil. I have spent many many hours sitting in fields, in woods, and in farm yards. I have observed to my satisfaction that nature has sculpted this earth in a way that man can never do so. I have looked at trees, flowers, and in animal eyes and noticed that nature has painted in a way that even the most revered Master has failed to do. There is my art.
I have had two experieces of deemed art.
I have stood and looked at the Mona Liza. Did it move me. No! It challenged me. I spent some time trying to understand that look.
I have also stood and looked at Aborigony art.
It moved me in a uncomfortable way. It was akin to picking up an old photo album of a stranger. You see the costumes, the poses and the faces and feel that you are treading on someone elses memories. It was a spiritual experience.
Sadly, those who have followed this culture today, claim it, cling to modern life and milk it for all they can.
I have enjoyed this journey and thank those whom have responded possitivly to other peoples opinions. The paradox for me is that the journey had made me step backwards and to look at art in a different way.
As for art in photgraphy. I am happy to stand alone in my opinion and let the detractors sleep in their opinions.
Regards Thoramay.
I am a child of the soil. I have spent many many hours sitting in fields, in woods, and in farm yards. I have observed to my satisfaction that nature has sculpted this earth in a way that man can never do so. I have looked at trees, flowers, and in animal eyes and noticed that nature has painted in a way that even the most revered Master has failed to do. There is my art.
I have had two experieces of deemed art.
I have stood and looked at the Mona Liza. Did it move me. No! It challenged me. I spent some time trying to understand that look.
I have also stood and looked at Aborigony art.
It moved me in a uncomfortable way. It was akin to picking up an old photo album of a stranger. You see the costumes, the poses and the faces and feel that you are treading on someone elses memories. It was a spiritual experience.
Sadly, those who have followed this culture today, claim it, cling to modern life and milk it for all they can.
I have enjoyed this journey and thank those whom have responded possitivly to other peoples opinions. The paradox for me is that the journey had made me step backwards and to look at art in a different way.
As for art in photgraphy. I am happy to stand alone in my opinion and let the detractors sleep in their opinions.
Regards Thoramay.
Posted 13/03/2010 - 12:52
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Thoughton. You are never in a position to correct someone on an opinion. Hold to your own but do not assume that you have a right to correct. We are talking opinions, not facts.
Someone said earlier that Art is in the eye of the beholder, through experience and belief.
I will second that and leave the forum to those who believe they know better.
Thoramay.
Someone said earlier that Art is in the eye of the beholder, through experience and belief.
I will second that and leave the forum to those who believe they know better.
Thoramay.
Posted 13/03/2010 - 13:03
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thoramay wrote:
Thoughton. You are never in a position to correct someone on an opinion. Hold to your own but do not assume that you have a right to correct. We are talking opinions, not facts.
Someone said earlier that Art is in the eye of the beholder, through experience and belief.
I will second that and leave the forum to those who believe they know better.
Thoramay.
I said that in my very first post. Strange, eh?
Thoughton. You are never in a position to correct someone on an opinion. Hold to your own but do not assume that you have a right to correct. We are talking opinions, not facts.
Someone said earlier that Art is in the eye of the beholder, through experience and belief.
I will second that and leave the forum to those who believe they know better.
Thoramay.
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 17:44
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So strange that it does not say that on my computer. That is strange.
Thoramay.
Thoramay.
Posted 13/03/2010 - 17:56
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One man's art is another man's dead animal in formaldehyde, though on a very base level (as has been mentioned already) something created by someone which effects the emotions, would be a good place to start. Because one person's emotions are triggered for different reasons to another's (due largely to life experience), then what that person defines as art will be different to another.
One man's art is another man's dead animal in formaldehyde, though on a very base level (as has been mentioned already) something created by someone which effects the emotions, would be a good place to start. Because one person's emotions are triggered for different reasons to another's (due largely to life experience), then what that person defines as art will be different to another.
let the education continue
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 18:55
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thoramay wrote:
So strange that it does not say that on my computer. That is strange.
Thoramay.
After telling us all to read posts carefully, I find it strange you can't see this in my first post:So strange that it does not say that on my computer. That is strange.
Thoramay.
"One man's art is another man's dead animal in formaldehyde"
"Because one person's emotions are triggered for different reasons to another's (due largely to life experience), then what that person defines as art will be different to another."
I don't think it needs any explanation.
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 18:56
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technoidiot wrote:
Thank you . It's not just me that can see it then!
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One man's art is another man's dead animal in formaldehyde, though on a very base level (as has been mentioned already) something created by someone which effects the emotions, would be a good place to start. Because one person's emotions are triggered for different reasons to another's (due largely to life experience), then what that person defines as art will be different to another.
One man's art is another man's dead animal in formaldehyde, though on a very base level (as has been mentioned already) something created by someone which effects the emotions, would be a good place to start. Because one person's emotions are triggered for different reasons to another's (due largely to life experience), then what that person defines as art will be different to another.
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 19:14
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Pretend on. That is not what I said.
Art is in the eye of the beholder through experience ......and belief. Not just experience!! It is in two parts.
thoramay
Art is in the eye of the beholder through experience ......and belief. Not just experience!! It is in two parts.
thoramay
Posted 13/03/2010 - 19:19
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thoramay wrote:
Pretend on. That is not what I said.
Art is in the eye of the beholder through experience ......and belief. Not just experience!! It is in two parts.
thoramay
Now you're just being deliberately obtuse.Pretend on. That is not what I said.
Art is in the eye of the beholder through experience ......and belief. Not just experience!! It is in two parts.
thoramay
I shouldn't have to tell someone with a grandchild to grow up.
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 19:41
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I think this debate has probably run its course now, we don't want to see exchanges getting any more pointed.
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Posted 13/03/2010 - 21:39
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Daniel Bridge wrote:
I think this debate has probably run its course now, we don't want to see exchanges getting any more pointed.
Dan
You're probably right.
I think this debate has probably run its course now, we don't want to see exchanges getting any more pointed.
Dan
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Seeking a general agreement on this issue will never haappen if we fail to give space to opinions that are different from our own
I should also say that I think Robbie has a point, Thoramay. I for one haven't found your responses in this thread to be particularly encouraging of viewpoints which don't agree with your own. Sorry
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